I was going to get some of those 12" CVR's but i saw a forum that had people arguing that the infinity 1230 series was a better buy/and better sub for a system. Now is this true because there a year old and these CVR's are kickers newest sub(2005) which is going to be better(BTW i know how people hate these "Which will be better Q's" and i did a bunch of research to try to avoid opening up a new forum i just can't get anything on these subs so i came here for some EXPERT help