ok i know ive asked this thread about 2 times...and i would be mad to if someone kept posting it but nobody ever really answers my question they jsut chnage to another subject or ask questions about things i dont want to know aobut....k well im going to buy one 12 inch mmats juggernaut or dreadnaut and was wondering were i can buy them for cheap and/or if there is a better sub that will pound hard for cheaper...? also what type of amp would be good to run either of these(juggernaut or dreadnaut) Juggernaut- 1400 Wrms real world power! Custom cross-drilled forced air induction for maximum voice coil cooling. Quad stacked spiders to handle extreme excursion. 3" diameter dual aluminum voice coil. All new machined and chromed back-plate! 12 spoke frame for structural integrity! Dreanaut- 1000 Wrms real world power! High excursion suspension. Computer optimized motor. 3" diameter dual 2 ohm voice coils. All new machined and chromed back-plate! 12 spoke frame for structural integrity!