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Doug W.
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What are the best 6.5" component speakers that sound the most realistic? I like natural sound. I don't want a harsh tweeter I want it to sound as close to the real music as possible for about $500 or below.
 

NappyDugout
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What are your 5 favorite CD's right now? Music taste is key.

-Nappy
 

Doug W.
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I like pretty much everything. New Found Glory, Simple Plan, Good Charlotte (stuff like that) Styxx, Guns N' Roses, Ozzy, Alice Cooper (stuff like that), Eminem, Twista, 50 cent (stuff like that) pretty much anything. I defintatly listen to more like New Found Glory and all that and older rock like Styxx though. I just want it to sound really realistic.
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 5817
Registered: Dec-03
try the DynAudio System 240GT

very smooth, natural tweeter
 

NappyDugout
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Hey Doug, I have a hell of a test song for you if you like rap. Me and my boys use this to test our sh?t: "Toiga Toiga" by R Kelly. To me, rap and metal thrive with metal tweets. I don't know how well "Renegade" by styx sound. When I pop in my old Hootie, Toad, Adam Duritz and Edwin McCain CD's, my MB Quarts are too bright. Glass certainly hasn't steered me wrong.
 

Doug W.
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Are there any other sets you would recomend so I can do some comparing?
 

NappyDugout
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Easily available at your local stores:
Infinity Kappas or Perfects. Very sensitive with textile tweets. You can get these, component style for $300 installed whereas those DynAudios will cost $550 installed. Your ears will probably like the Infinitys. Save some cash for Christmas. BYE
 

Gold Member
Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 5879
Registered: Dec-03
via ebay you can get the infinity kappa perfect 6.1 set for $200 new with buy now.
great speakers. brighter than the DynAudio. I use Dynaudio system 360 comps in my charger and perfect 6.1s in my jeep.

dynaudio system 220GTmkII runs about $550 new on ebay
 

Gold Member
Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 5880
Registered: Dec-03
seen the system 240GT go for $355 new on ebay too
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 2633
Registered: May-04
"Infinity Kappas or Perfects. Very sensitive with textile tweets."
They aren't textile, both are metal tweets and are pretty bright. The References are the ones with textile tweeters, but really they aren't worth mentioning when you get into really high end sets.
 

Doug W.
Unregistered guest
Yeah I've heard the Perfects tweeters are really bright, if I listen to a lot of rock would it still sound good or would it be too harsh? Once again I want the most realistic, natural sound
 

Bronze Member
Username: Lbeckner

Tulsa, Ok Usa

Post Number: 69
Registered: Oct-04
None of these will beat my 5x7 coaxile Alpines!
 

NappyDugout
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In another stream, you say you don't like your Alpines.

I'm a fan of metal tweeter aided music. Soft tweeters aren't me. Horns are metal, cymbals are metal...tweets textile??? Call me artificial...play Ants Marching by DMB and see what your ears like. I bet you go metal. Later.
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 2642
Registered: May-04
"Soft tweeters aren't me. Horns are metal, cymbals are metal...tweets textile???"

Certain instruments are brass, guitar strings are metal, guitars are wood, but speaker cones are poly or paper usually. Don't forget that cone (or tweeter dome) material chosen is done so mainly on weight and it's resonant properties. Silk or textile tweets don't have undesirable resonance that SOME (not all) metal tweets have, and they usually roll off more naturally. Off axis response is usually better as well. It's all preference in the end, most audiophiles like soft domes, especially in cars, but it all depends. Also depends on the vehicle's acoustic properties. You should hear the Dynaudio Esotar tweeter, it'll make you a soft dome guy in no time :-)
 

NappyDugout
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Jon, Do they sell the tweeters by themselves?
I want to try it for kicks.
 

NappyDugout
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Jon, Do they sell the tweeters by themselves?
I want to try it for kicks.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 2645
Registered: May-04
They do, but they ain't cheap.
http://www.woofersetc.com/product.asp?0=270&1=273&3=3427
$700 bucks for a pair, and that's less than retail for them. They aren't your typical soft dome, they have a ton of frequency response, and can go all the way to 30 khz w/o problems. Ambient as hell and EXTREMELY accurate, not harsh at all, very natural sounding. It is huge and has an enormous motor for a tweeter, the motor itself is over 2" deep. Just one of those things you'll have to hear to believe.
 

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Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 2646
Registered: May-04
Oh yeah, damped cavity below the tweeter and a vented polepiece for the motor structure.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Lbeckner

Tulsa, Ok Usa

Post Number: 94
Registered: Oct-04
Sarcasm with the Alpines.
 

NappyDugout
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Alright, say I spend the $700 on these. Will they work fine with my MB x-over and polypropelene woofer? Can I just take the door apart and attach the new tweeter? It sounds like I may run into some problems. In a Tundra, the tweeter well is darn shallow....how do you customize this to make it fit....or do I need to go kick-panel? Later...you got me thinking.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Jwbulger79

Post Number: 13
Registered: Nov-04
how do the Alpine R-Type components stack up with the Infinity Kappa's? The Alpines have a soft dome tweeter. Does that make for a more natural sound than the Kappa's aluminum tweeter? What do you prefer Glass? I think we listen to similar music(I listen to Pink Floyd, Jazz, Blues, some Rock and Rap). Anyone else also have an opinion on which may be better?
 

NappyDugout
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I have a set of Alpine R's that just came to my doorstep, but the magnets were a little large for my install....now I have to send them back and eat the 15% restock fee. Keep the magnet in mind dude.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Jwbulger79

Post Number: 14
Registered: Nov-04
Thanks for the heads up man. I'm going to have to build custom enclosures for them though. My doors don't have any speaker cutouts at all so the entire box will be surface mounted to the door. My kick panel area is too small so I cant go that route either. Any ideas for how to attach the box to the metal door frame? I was thinking large sheet metal screws or bolts. I'm putting the tweeters at the bottom of the A-frame, they will be about 14 to 18" from the 6.5's. Never done before so any ideas appreciated.
 

Gold Member
Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 5926
Registered: Dec-03
personally if you're going to drop 7 C notes on a pair of tweeters, build your own custom crossovers for them to allow for phase shift, and the slope you want. I'd even consider building a crossover to offer a flat resistive load for them a that price, but then my Dyn component set retails for $1200, and I'm giving thought to rebuilding the crossovers they came with too.. just upgrading some of the internals.

if you build baffles to hold the tweeters, try using plywood.. wood is a good damping material for tweeters. unlike metal and plastics.

If you want to hear soft domes sound brilliant with music, listen to some good digitally remastered Louis Armstrong with his horn.
Old satchmo can make good speakers really sing when he unleashes that trumpet of his.

Just as a note, prior to the Dyn setup in my car now, my last IASCA car ran 4 hard domes XO'ed @ 15KHz+, and 4 soft domes @ 5KHz-15KHz.
below that were 4 5" mids @ 100Hz-5KHz, and below those were 2 12" subs @ 60Hz down.
symbols and such could be literally painful.
two of my sample tracks were Madonna's Immaculate Collection CD, and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, namely the song "Time" at the beginning, when all the alarm clocks sound.
It made most people wince even at moderately low volumes.
 

NappyDugout
Unregistered guest
Thanks, Glass.

I have a project now. I'm setting up baffle shop in my basement. Do you think MB woofers will suffice with the custom xover and Dyn flagship tweeter? And dude...nice system...talk about covering the bases!

It's quite amazing how much better some CDs are than others and how some MP3 are even better than other MP3's, yet a cut below a CD. For example, I just I-tuned the new U2 album and the thing sounds like a** on my system. My friend Jim lent me his real copy and man...the music comes alive. Why the huge drop-off and what do you recommend? Better CD'rs. I just have some Sony 80 min ones. THANKS AGAIN!
 

Gold Member
Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 5942
Registered: Dec-03
well, any time you go from CDA to MP3, you're compressing the audio data 12:1.
That's a "lossy" compression scheme, so you're going to lose resolution, mostly in the form of subtle nuances and details in the music.
The higher the resolution of the audio system used for playback, the more you'll hear these losses.
That's your recent discovery I'd imagine.

"the better your system, the worse your favorite music seems to sound." haha old joke there.

anyway this is one reason I use those MFSL gold CDs for auditioning a system. I know exactly how the disc sounds, so that's one less variable when I hear a system.

just as a similar example, my PC is connected via digital coax to my audio system at home. on the PC speakers, MP3 stuff sounds decent.
When I switch to the rack system and the KEF mains, I can hear just how poorly the person's encoding really was for the mp3 I'm playing, because the stereo separation starts to blend together, I hear more of the pops and losses in audio, symbols aren't as crisp, vocals don't ring as true at the higher end.. stuff like that.
It just shows up more on a better system.

Ya know, you never notice bird crap on the hood of a rusted out Escort. It sticks out like a sore thumb on the hood of a Lamborghini.
 

Gold Member
Username: Jonathan_f

GA USA

Post Number: 2650
Registered: May-04
Very very true. I'm considering the Esotars for my next project, and going active with it.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Mattellermets

Danville, IL US

Post Number: 44
Registered: Sep-04
would it be odd for me to say that you two are absolutely nuts, and that i love it?

PS i have been noticing the same things. the "favorite cd" i have listened to a million times... "hey since when did the audio pop and burble there"

but the good things...
quote from friend after riding with me to grab some lunch after class "that is the most awesome thing i've ever heard"
but much better, a quote from good friend with great musical taste.. not to mention a pretty girl: "so... when are you coming to pick me up again?"

also, a prop for car audio, i find myself speeding a lot less... i am usually in more of a relaxed mood... just enjoying the ride and the music... sort of disappointed when arriving before the song ends.. im sure you can all relate
 

Gold Member
Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 6157
Registered: Dec-03
heh glad it's all workin out then
I should quote that in all these "how do I get my parents to let me go deaf" threads.
"I speed less!"
haha
 

Bronze Member
Username: Mattellermets

Danville, IL US

Post Number: 45
Registered: Sep-04
true... a good point to argue.. although the flip side would be those who are listening to faster, high-adrenaline music (i do at times) which would set a much more agressive mood for driving if not careful

*most of the time recently ive been listening to alternative/indie rock type stuff (the postal service, bayside, death cab for cutie, ect) or stuff like nicole mullins... or the eagles or marc cohn... the faster stuff would be something more like "the used" or "taking back sunday".
 

Gold Member
Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 6181
Registered: Dec-03
Ministry, Rob Zombie, Lords of Acid, Offspring.. yeah I know the stuff. hehe

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