MAW12 vs RD Classic 12
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 85 Registered: Oct-06 | Ok folks, here it is! The Mach5 Maw12 vs. the rD Classic 12 showdown! I want to thank Mark from Mach5 and Kevin From Low-hz, with a shout out to Steve from rD, for providing the subs. It ahs been fun, and it has been a learning experience. Nothing better then playing with new toys. Ok, on with the setup. The vehicle is a 2004 Chevy Silverado extended cab. There is a yellow top under the hood, 1/0 Memphis wiring throughout, and a factory 105 amp alternator. The Big 3 has been done as well, also in 1/0. The source unit is a Clarion DXZ955MC, with the HPF set to 125 and the LPF set to 80. The amplification is provided by a Memphis Memphis Belle, MCH1300, which will provide these two subs ~600wrms @ 2ohm. The gains are set to just clipping using an o-scope and a 50hz note. Enclosures will be a 1.25ft^3 sealed affair, and a 2ft^3 @ 34hz w/a 4" round port, with rounded edges. Now onto the subs...... <img> <img> <img> Mach5 MAW12 MSRP $63.51 direct <img> "The analogy "you get what you pay for" simply does not exist when you compare the Mach 5 Audio MAW line to other brands. The MAW-12 is no exception. Its three pound magnet structure keeps the lightweight craft pulp cone in check, delivering accurate and detailed bass response. With a 2.5" dual voice coil and 13mm of linear one way Xmax, the MAW-12 rivals drivers costing three times its price." T/S Parameters - MAW-12 (coils connected in series) Fs = 23.3 Hz Power Handling: 350 watts RMS Re = 8 Ohms Sensitivity: 87db (2.83 volts) Qes = 0.30 Impedance: 4 + 4 Ohm Qms = 3.03 Outside Diameter: 31.8cm (12 1/2") Qts = 0.27 Mounting Diameter: 28.3cm (11 1/8") Mms = 144 grams Depth: 14cm (5 1/2") Rms = 6.96 kg/s Cms = 0.324 mm/N VAS = 76.6 litres Sd = 408.3 cm2 Xmax = 13 mm Cone Diameter = 22.9 cm Recommended Box Sizes: Sealed: 29 litres (1 cu. ft.) Ported: 51 litres (1.8 cu. ft.) 28Hz tuning Build quality is what you'd expect from a sub costing three times as much. A cast aluminum 4 spoke basket isn't the norm on a $70 woofer. All glue joints were flawless, with no excess anywhere to be found. Nice thick tinsel leads, looks like 12guage, with shrink tubing over the solder joint at the terminal, leads on to believe this thing is designed for some power. A nice gasket and magnet boot round out the cosmetics. The motor on this thing is of good diameter, larger then the Classic in size, yet a bit shorter. My one gripe, the screw type terminals feel cheap. I'm not a fan of those, as they are typically found on lesser subs. However, that is my only gripe. <img> RD Audio Classic MSRP $175 dealer only <img> They were designed and built to be small sealed enclosure SQ subwoofers. When we tested them in small ported boxes we were extremely pleased. When tuned to the mid 30's they have a flat response. They are built off the same concept as the Alpha series. They offer a good amount of output with no distortion. The can accurately reproduce any bass note with ease regardless of what style of music you fancy. Woofer Description Vacuum formed polymica cone body with reinforced cone collar Extended neck joints on cone, coil, and spider Butyl rubber surround Waterproof Vented cone 2 inch long excursion voice coil Rounded deep back plate Low carbon front and back plate Powerful dual stacked 55 oz magnets Cast basket Integrated tinsel leads 2.5" long excursion motor structure Available in 15" built upon order Box suggestions: Please contact us through email to get a box custom designed to meet your needs. Port and driver already included- Classic 10" .75 ft3 sealed 1.0 ft3 sealed 1.5 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 10.4" deep tuned at 44hz 2.0 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 10.25" deep tuned at 37hz Classic 12" 1.0 ft3 sealed 1.5 ft3 sealed 2.0 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 12" deep tuned at 35hz 2.5 ft3 with a 20 square inch port by 16.33" deep tuned at 35hz *a lot less port noise 2.0 ft3 with a 20 square inch port by 12" deep tuned at 44hz * high output Specifications coming soon Build quality is definitely good. Like the maw, glue lines were excellent and there just isn't any excess glue anywhere. The covering over the poly cone leads one to believe it's paper, but it's done very nicely. The 12 spoke basket is a proven winner and offers better cooling compared to the 4 spoke of the maw. The spider has about 6 screws on it's outer edge to compliment the glue and had strength. Nice touch. The bumped back plate is nice on the motor. While overall diameter is smaller, the height is taller on this compared to the maw 12. Two different approaches, but both work. Now, my gripes. The woven tinsel leads are thinner, look like 16 guage, maybe 14, then those on the maw12. Also, no heat shrink around the solder joint at the terminal. Gives it an unfinished look. No big deal, it's just a look thing. <img> Overall, both subs display excellent build quality, the kind you'd expect from a $175 sub, and beyond what you'd think you'd get from a $70 one. The dust cap on the rD Classic is definitely a love it or not thing. I like the look of the maw12, but basic black is always a good look. The Classic comes through with the shine though, with a nice mix of polish and paint. It would look good inverted! Sealed box testing; The Maw12 was in a bit bigger box then recommended, still it faired very well. With either fast double kicks or drop down low bass lines, it delivered and did so very well. As long as the music was fairly simple, this thing worked wonders. Let it get a bit complicated and it would get a tad muddy. Not overbearing muddy, but it would make it hard to tell what was trying to play. I never got it to bottom out either. A rated 350wrms sub, it was taking the ~600wrms from the Belle with relative ease. It would get warm and the coil would let me know I was giving it too much, but I never reached mechanical limits. Output was a bit disappointing. Not poor, but not what I expected. It loves the low lows, it does great on the fast stuff, it's only weakness was a tendacy to get muddy on really complicated music. The Classic was right at home in the 1.25ft^3 sealed box. It more then kept up with the Maw on the fast stuff, reproduced the low stuff with authority and liked the complicated stuff a bit better. It didn't matter if it was a soundtrack, Dimmu Borgir or Lil John, in it's sealed box home, this sub works. With a rating of 500wrms, I was able to reach this subs mechanical limits with 600. The Classic didn't like playing at it's limits either, the distortion was a bit more audible compared to the maw. Output was better however, not withstanding it's mechanical power handling compared to the maw. It was just the louder woofer, save at the higher frequencies. Up around 70 hz, the maw owned it. But down low where subs like the play, it was all Classic. Ported box testing; Wow, did the maw come alive in this alignment. Though still bigger then recommended, it loved this enclosure. So much so, I didn't want to take it out! Loud, low and responsive, there wasn't anything it wouldn't, couldn't do in this box. Dimmu Borgir's insane double kicks whipped tail in this box! Lil John shook the hell outa the truck and even Ozzy's basslines were intense. I never got it to bottom out in this box either, never reaching it's mechanical limits in either box. Distortion is very low, to the point of having to be absolute full tilt to even get it to distort. Output again is on the downside compared to the Classic, even a bit moreso then in sealed. But it's not noticeable. This thing rocks ported! The Classic on the other hand took to the ported box like the maw did the sealed one. Where the Classic owned the maw in the sealed alignment, it's completely reversed ported. RD says it best with, "They were designed and built to be small sealed enclosure SQ subwoofers. ". While still the louder of the two, it just flat out got confused trying to duplicate those double kicks from Dimmu Borgir. Keep it simple, like a nice low bass line, and the Classic was happy. Anything faster or more complicated then boom, boom and this sub isn't happy. Power handling was similar to the maw, again. It would bottom out, but only at full tilt and again had a bit more distortion. But nothing worth complaining about. Term Lab numbers; I tested both subs, sealed and ported. I did it Db Drag style, mic on the glass, just above the dash, windows rolled up and vehicle off. This was all rD Classic. The only time the maw got the better of the Classic was at 70-75hz sealed. And it got it by 3db. Otherwise it went like this, Maw12 sealed, 127db, occurring at 47hz Classic 12 sealed, 128db, occurring at 46hz <img> <img> Maw12 ported, 130.6db, occurring at 42hz Classic12 ported, 131.8db, occurring at 45hz <img> <img> The sealed enclosure was on top of the rear seat, driver's side, with the sub facing up and to the rear. The ported box is a down firing, under the seat affair. The sub is on the driver's side yet again, while the 4" port is facing the passanger side rear door. Not optimal SPL setups for sure, but with just 600wrms going to each sub, I think they both faired well. Music played; As mentioned above, I use Dimmu Borgir for their completely insane double kicks. Disturbed, Trapt, and Ozzy rounded out the rock portion. Lil John, Bass Mekaniks, T.I. and DMX consisted of the rap portion. Soundtracks by Harry Gregson-Williams and John Williams comprised the classical portion. All music listened to at volumes ranging from normal driving, where one could still hold a conversation, to full tilt on the volume knob. Overall; One wouldn't be hurt by using either one of these subs. The Classic is a sealed box performer who can throw down some numbers ported. Rated a bit more closely to it's actual power handling, one would be wise to run right in the neighborhood of it's rating. If decently loud sealed box sound quality is yoru game, this is a great sub to look at. Priced very competitively, it's a good sub with good performance. The maw is a ported box machine. With power handling, build quality and output comparable to subs 2-3 times it's price, one can't go wrong with one or two of these in a ported box. Sealed, they are a bit weak, but will perform. As long as one doesn't mistake these for all out spl, burp machines, it's hard to beat the maw's combination of value, build and performance. Mark could easily charge twice as much and still have a winner. So, how does one pick a winner? By TL numbers, it's easy. The rD Classic is the subwoofer to have. A full db louder sealed and 1.8 ported, it's a clear winner. Value? The Mach5 Maw12 is the hands down winner. With similar performance and build quality at a 1/3rd of the MSRP. SQ? It's a dead heat. The Classic performs well ported, but does an excellent job sealed. The Maw is it's opposite. Performing on average sealed, it came alive in the ported box. Build quality? Dead heat again. Both subs are very well built, and each one has something I would change. But nothing that looks like it would compromise integrity. Power handling? Nope. Pretty even there as well. The maw is a bit underrated at 350wrms, with the Classic being pretty spot on at 500, I wouldn't do much more then the 600 I was giving them. No, there isn't a clear winner. One has to look at their application, budget and output goals. If I had to chose a winner, it would be the maw12 simply because of cost. Neither sub separated itself enough performance wise to dictate a very clear winner, but by virtue of the fact one can buy, based upon MSRP 2 maw12s shipped for the price of one rD Classic, it's kinda hard not to chose it. That aside, in lower power situations, 500 and under, I wouldn't hesitate to run either one of these subs. sorry if it's a bit longwinded. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Post Number: 3294 Registered: Jan-05 | very nice review, what other subs have you heared that you can compare these to? also did you try wireing in series on the maw so it only gets around 100wrms and tell me the results, im trying to decide on a new sub for my book shelf system and was considering both these subs but i only have 100wrms to play with. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 86 Registered: Oct-06 | sealed box, the classic and the memphis m1 are very compareable. teh m1 is similiar in that is designed for small sealed boxes. the classic has more power handling then the m1, so output shoudln't be a contest. both the classic and the maw sound better sealed then any kicker product, especially down low. ported, teh maw has few like it in how well it performs, especially at it's price range. teh classic is alot lot a kicker sub ported, meaning it's loud and it likes to go boom, but if it's complicated, it can get a bit muddy. off just 100wrms, i'd probably lean towards the maw due to it's looser suspension from the jump. tha classic requires a bit of a breakin, whereas the maw is limber outa of the box. regretably, i didn't do any 8 ohm testing, so that is just my opinion and speculation. teh classic was the overall louder of the two, regardless of enclosure, so it might be the way to go, even with just 100wrms. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Post Number: 3295 Registered: Jan-05 | nice well im trying to decide, i was also looking at the mtx 4500, re re, aa assassin, you woudn't happen to have any experience with them would ya, and most likely whatever sub i choose i will build a ABC box for it so hopefully that will help with output. |
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Gold Member Username: Tdeaton1021Near Tampa, Florida USA Post Number: 4289 Registered: Sep-04 | very good accurate and what seemed fair review. Feel free to test more subs and give more reviews 8) |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 87 Registered: Oct-06 | dustin, i've only had experience with the 4500 of those you've mentioned. the maw and classic both sound better to me, in either application. the 4500 getting close to the classic ported, but nowhere near it sealed. output would be classic for sure and the maw and 4500 similiar. maybe a bit of an edge to the 4500, power being equal. however, the classic and maw both handle more power if memory serves me correctly, and thus the maw and classic have greater output potential. trevor, thank you sir. and i will do just that, the ICON 12 will be getting it's review written up very shortly. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: CenusHicksville, Ohio Post Number: 3298 Registered: Jan-05 | cool thanks for all the info kent, i think i'll try the maw since its price tag is so affordable. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 88 Registered: Oct-06 | your welcome. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 7684 Registered: Jun-06 | Damn Kent, I always think you're on a carnival ride. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 90 Registered: Oct-06 | with the life i live..yeah, lol. it's a blast though! i won't be pretty when i get to heaven, but i'll be grinning! or hell, whichever, lol wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 2080 Registered: Sep-06 | Great reviews why spend more when you don't need to. |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 2081 Registered: Sep-06 | Kent Oh yaeh how would the Alpine type R 12" comapre to those two subs. Thanks |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 91 Registered: Oct-06 | i'm not a fan of the type r. i've only done two installs with them, one sealed, one ported. in a sense, to me, they act like the maw a bit. not a great sealed performer, but do better ported. sq is above average, what you would expect from apline's #2 woofer. but IMO, it doesn't live up to the internet hype. but for the price one can get it for online, not a bad sub. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: Imperial_designsLafayette, Louisiana Post Number: 108 Registered: Oct-06 | the classic needs about 1.5 ported.... |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 92 Registered: Oct-06 | Joel, "2.0 ft3 with a 4" round or 12.5" slot port by 12" deep tuned at 35hz " word for word recommended box specs for the 12" classic. the exact box that is in the truck. i know that all box recommendations are completely spot on, but for reviews, i get as close to them as i can. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Adam_sPost Number: 1379 Registered: Aug-04 | This is a really good review I actually enjoyed reading it all. I cant wait to hear your review on the Icon because after seeing this one I know it will be good. Keep up the good work. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 95 Registered: Oct-06 | thank you sir! the ICON review is "in process". all i've got left is to throw it up on the term lab again. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Adam_sPost Number: 1380 Registered: Aug-04 | Aww sh1t now you got me all excited.  |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 96 Registered: Oct-06 | lol wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: •cam•Post Number: 586 Registered: Nov-06 | awesome. I couldn't get the wood to build a new box so I just threw one of my Maw 12s in my old EHQS box and put 300wrms on it. I bridged the channels on my NINe.4 and ran one to each coil. It was awesome, the soft top and the rear view were flappin' around. Late Night Tip (chopped n screwed) and Beatz 4 My Van were definitely the best. My crossovers were at 40 hz because I didn't want to go to the trouble of setting them exactly the same, like I had my gains. I can't say anything about SQ because the box is shitty and the car is so rattly, along with the top flapping around. |
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Bronze Member Username: Pbplayer05Carroll, Iowa Post Number: 53 Registered: May-07 | kwl i just got a pair of those rd classics and will be getting a rd 800.1 amp what you think bout that |
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Bronze Member Username: Pbplayer05Carroll, Iowa Post Number: 54 Registered: May-07 | kwl i just ordered a pair of those classics and will be getting a rd 800.1 amp soon to what u think |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 805 Registered: Feb-06 | My guess, the icon will get a perfect review from kent lol. |
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Silver Member Username: JcashPost Number: 184 Registered: Dec-05 | Theres a thread were he did the review dumbazz |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 807 Registered: Feb-06 | Already commented on that thread buddy. |
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Bronze Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 98 Registered: Oct-06 | gee, ben must be psychic....but wait, he's wrong. the Icon didn't get a perfect review. wow. go figure. and you know what else is funny, steve thinks the same way i do about the classic. so my ears must not be all that bad, huh? justin, the pair of classics and 800wrms is a good combo. go sealed for the best response, or if your music choice is dominated by hip hop, a smaller ported box will be the best. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 314 Registered: Nov-06 | As I said before, great job on the review kent. Hopefully shows people that are scared off by the Mach5 pricing that it is nothing to be scared about. Heck of a sub for the money and you just proved it. |
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Bronze Member Username: Pbplayer05Carroll, Iowa Post Number: 55 Registered: May-07 | so go ported or sealed i want to be loud |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 44 Registered: May-07 | Yes, thanks muchly for the very informative and unbiased review Kent. It was a real pleasure to read.  To be honest, I was anticipating (and expecting) the Classic to walk all over the MAW-12, especially considering its price range and all the hype I/we have been hearing about it. I am glad (for RD/Low-Hz/Showrides) that you were able to pin point a few good characteristics the Classic has Kent. Who knows, had I taken the time out to exercise the suspension and do all the other "tweaks" companies do before sending product out for review, perhaps the MAW-12 could have done a bit better than it did. Best regards, Mark |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1328 Registered: Sep-06 | lets see how that maw stands up after a couple months of 500 watts... |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 321 Registered: Nov-06 | You mean like most of the people on the Mach5 forum who are putting that much if not more power to their subs and still love them? |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 46 Registered: May-07 | "lets see how that maw stands up after a couple months of 500 watts..." Well, I'm not sure where the '500 watts' comes from, since the MAW-12 has an RMS rating of 350 watts. As Denim has stated though, folks are pushing Mach 5's well beyond their rated limits and are enjoying them. Best, Mark |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 104 Registered: Oct-06 | justin, go ported if room allows. the recommended box (2ft^3 @34hz)is great for hiphop and heavy bass tracks. for a flatter response and a bit more quickness, i'd suggest 1.5-1.75 @34hz. mark, he probably grabbed that number from the review. so, that's my fault. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: 04redmach1Columbus, GA USA Post Number: 931 Registered: Mar-06 | I wish we would have loosen the suspension on the Classic too. Kent took my subs virginity  hehe Kevin |
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Bronze Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 24 Registered: May-07 | " "To be honest, I was anticipating (and expecting) the Classic to walk all over the MAW-12, especially considering its price range and all the hype I/we have been hearing about it. I am glad (for RD/Low-Hz/Showrides) that you were able to pin point a few good characteristics the Classic has Kent. Who knows, had I taken the time out to exercise the suspension and do all the other "tweaks" companies do before sending product out for review, perhaps the MAW-12 could have done a bit better than it did. Best regards, Mark"""" the classic was not broken in at all. it was in a box for 5-10 mins for a dealer a couple months back. I think Kent did and put what he thought was right in his opinion and recorded what facts he could. I believe he did a great job. This is what I personally got from it; The maw subwoofer is a very good subwoofer for what they sell them for and sounds good in a ported box. 127.0 @ 47 Hz 550 watts sealed/130.6 @ 42 Hz 550 watts. The SSA sounds very good sealed but doesn't have output. It also sounds good ported but does ok for SPL @ 1100 watts. 126.9 @40Hz sealed @1100 watts/ 132.0 @ 40 Hz 1100 watts The classic Sounds excellent in a sealed box and does pretty well for sealed output. It sounds ok for ported but has very good output. 128.0 @ 46 Hz 550 watts sealed/ 131.8 @ 45 Hz 550 watts ported. I am very pleased with the results and with talking with Kent after he told me that it was right there with the best sealed box subs he has ever heard that was great to hear since that was my design Goal with the Classics. I am also very happy with the output being 128 sealed that was louder than a sub with twice the power. I was also happy with the output in the ported box a 131.8 was only 0.2 db less then another subwoofer with twice the power. We are also proud of the fact we build here in the U.S.A. So Kent basically summed up what we tell people about the Classic and that is it works great for reproducing any type of music to a T in a sealed box and gets loud doing it and for ported boxes it works very well for Rap/Hip hop with real good output with only 500 watts. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3285 Registered: Jul-06 | Hmm...I wonder how the SSA does when tuned to higher frequencies.Any reason you didn't tune so high with the SSA sub Kent? |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 47 Registered: May-07 | Ah, well, I will let the readers of the review decide for themselves, just as I let them decide on all other reviews that are given by those with the tooling, ears and experience to provide a non-provocative critique. Was I expecting anything from this? Heck no. I was anticipating the usual 'ha ha my sub beat your sub, blah blah..'. But that didn't happen. Do I expect people to be crashing down my doors wanting to buy MAW-12's? Heck no. As already mentioned, folks can decide which product they feel comfortable about purchasing. If they want MAW's they're here. Do I expect a bit more credit and respect from other vendors now that an independent review clearly showed Mach 5 product was able to stand up to competition costing more than twice the price? Heck yeah! This is just one more case where this has been proven. Note to Mr. Showrides: Don't f*ck with a f*cker... /soapbox |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3290 Registered: Jul-06 | "Note to Mr. Showrides: Don't f*ck with a f*cker..." Totally unnecessary lol.Funny though. |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 2094 Registered: Sep-06 | Hey f*cker what coils does the MAW 12" and 15" come in? |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4736 Registered: Feb-06 | they only come in dual 4ohm (from what i seen on their site). but mrogowski, think i could get a pair of maw 12s' in dual 2ohm vc to test out? |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 110 Registered: Oct-06 | Hmm...I wonder how the SSA does when tuned to higher frequencies.Any reason you didn't tune so high with the SSA sub Kent? yeah, two. my vehicle isn't a great spl vehicle. and i like to test more real world (read daily), rather then straight up spl. i could build a burp box i guess, i have access to over 2.5kw just sitting in my garage (closer to 10kw, if james will let me play with his cactus sounds 5kws), but in reality, burp numbers don't show much. besides, how cool is it when a sub peaks @ 40hz? or lower? to me, that's more impressive then a 50-55hz burp. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3295 Registered: Jul-06 | I agree about having a daily oriented system rather than a f@rt box but the satisfaction of knowing a sub will hit a good number when placed in an SPL box is nice as well.So you think that Icon can hit a higher number in a f@rt box?To some people it's worth something...I'm just curious to hear what you think,I'm not going to run that sub but I'm sure there are other people out there as well that would like to know how it holds up in all applications. |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 116 Registered: Oct-06 | i think it would. it's got great power handling, i'm well over 200watts of it's rms and it's yet to reach mechanical limits. and vehicle plays such a huge role. same setup in a suv, at least 3db higher, is what i'd wager. hatchback, same thing. personally, with how low it likes to play, i think it would make an awesome bassrace sub. high power handling and the ability to be dropped low? yeah, a couple of these things and the right power would make an excellent bassrace setup. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 49 Registered: May-07 | "As I said before, great job on the review kent. Hopefully shows people that are scared off by the Mach5 pricing that it is nothing to be scared about. Heck of a sub for the money and you just proved it." Yup. And if you thought the MAW line kicks azz (which obviously it does), just wait for the rest of the IXL line...  Best, Mark |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4742 Registered: Feb-06 | so when is the new line going to be out? specs? prices? |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 122 Registered: Oct-06 | yeah, mark. when is the new stuff coming out? are you ever going to setup a brick and mortar dealer network? wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 50 Registered: May-07 | I'm working on the rest of the line right now. The IXL-18.4 is an impressive low-end monster. The others will have to be made the same... B&M? Dunno. Maybe. Time will tell. |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 333 Registered: Nov-06 | The specs on the IXL's are impressive. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 51 Registered: May-07 | Thus far, pretty good. |
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Silver Member Username: •cam•Post Number: 596 Registered: Nov-06 | I finally got both my MAWs installed, through some fairly Micky Mouse jigsaw work to move the ports so I had room in the old box. Luckily I made it 4 cubes for the EHQS. I dunno why but anyway. It sounds way better than just one did and even though they only get 100 watts each from a NINe.4 at 2 ohms, Ghetto Village by Warren G feels like a back massage. Even 15' away, you can feel the pressure on your ears. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 52 Registered: May-07 | Glad you like them. Now get vocal about it. ;) |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 902 Registered: Nov-06 | seems to me that MAW audio is taking off, so does MAW audio have any subs that would get louder than 2 12" l7s on not too much wattage and an affordable price? |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 340 Registered: Nov-06 | Louder is all in the install. The MAW-15's can get loud, but they are not built to take thousands of watts. The IXL line out, right now only the 18 is available, with the smaller sizes coming. |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 892 Registered: Feb-06 | Raymond, they will get as loud as wolfman |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 915 Registered: Nov-06 | hahahahahahahahaha lmao |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 129 Registered: Oct-06 | but at least they'll show up, unlike showrides, who will cower in a corner from the "lesser" product showing up. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 893 Registered: Feb-06 | Kent, your mom needs to use the computer now. |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 130 Registered: Oct-06 | Ben, your boyfriend wants his balls back. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 53 Registered: May-07 | |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 901 Registered: Feb-06 | Speaks for itself http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3186521#post3186521 |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3503 Registered: Jul-06 | Mrgowskis avatar is funny Nice job bashing on RD guys. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 54 Registered: May-07 | Yeah, it wasn't too nice. For that I apologise. I'm always the first to admit my mistake(s). And the avatar is great. Best $20 I ever spent! |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1431 Registered: Sep-06 | wow...this is absolutely ridiculous. the maturity level that Mach 5 displays is absurd. alienating your own clients? then going and bashing on a whole company? seems like someone is VERY threatened by a better all around company... |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 55 Registered: May-07 | You bet I'm affraid! Very much so! I guess all the trolling I see here is beginning to rub off on me. |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 131 Registered: Oct-06 | so mach5 acting like ben, and it's a crime??? (adn i'm not condoning what he did, jsut pointing out the similiarities) at least mark is man enough to say he was wrong and apologize. ben just keeps running off at the mouth. if you're going to harp on one about it, get after the other too. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1432 Registered: Sep-06 | they both acted immature. but cmon the name calling and with ryan kirk? and then tryin to bash RD and sshit i mean cmon |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3510 Registered: Jul-06 | "if you're going to harp on one about it, get after the other too. " Sorry my friend but life just doesn't work that way.As I would tell my Children if I had any,life isn't fair. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4779 Registered: Feb-06 | very good point^^. |
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Gold Member Username: CtmikeCt. Post Number: 4781 Registered: Feb-06 | my last post was meant for kents last post, damn slow computer. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 56 Registered: May-07 | "Sorry my friend but life just doesn't work that way.As I would tell my Children if I had any,life isn't fair." Yeah, it sure isn't. That's why it makes sense to pick up and move on with things... Best, Mark |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 902 Registered: Feb-06 | Kent, you are in no posistion to talk about people running off their mouth lol. I haven't responded to anything you have said in weeks, but you still continue to bash me haha. Find a hobby man. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3512 Registered: Jul-06 | "Yeah, it sure isn't. That's why it makes sense to pick up and move on with things... " Exactly.So why are you all over RD audio? |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 57 Registered: May-07 | That time of the month. |
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Gold Member Username: Trey4sportsPost Number: 1433 Registered: Sep-06 | i dont understand why hes constantly bashing RD, like rob said. why are you still trying to pick a fight with them? and you were also trying to start some kind of LOW-HZ conspiracy as well, anytime something goes wrong its their fault. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 58 Registered: May-07 | "...and you were also trying to start some kind of LOW-HZ conspiracy as well..." I was?! Wow, it really must be that time of the month. Oh, BTW, that was awesome troll work you did over at ca.com Showrides/whoever-you-are. You really are the best at what you do... |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 904 Registered: Feb-06 | No mark, read what he wrote. He was talking about Kent, not you. And I am the best troller around. Be jealous. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 59 Registered: May-07 | I am.... |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 925 Registered: Nov-06 | me 2 |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 905 Registered: Feb-06 | raymond, you are just jealous you aren't wolfman. |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 926 Registered: Nov-06 | hahahahahahaha lmfao my sides hurt |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 2200 Registered: Sep-06 | I thought the MAW 12" would sell like crazy because of the good review and such a low price. |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 133 Registered: Oct-06 | "they both acted immature. but cmon the name calling and with ryan kirk? and then tryin to bash RD and sshit i mean cmon" trey, exactly why i said i don't condone what he did. however, he did man up and apologize for it. ben, wtf ever. so june 29 is weeks gone by? jsut scroll up nutless, you keep this sh!t up more then anyone else. and then try to bail and act like you said nothing? whatever dickless. you do indeed have trolling down, not too mention blowing on whomever's nutz will let you. what a coward. go on, say how i'm keeping the flames going, then the smart will scroll up adn see it is in fact you. but hey, maybe your fanqueers will let you slide on their nutz some more as long as you promise to blow them good prices. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 134 Registered: Oct-06 | not too mention, i'm not the one constantly creating new s/n's at places i'm banned (which is nil) to start flame wars and make my company and it's products look foolish. yeah, but you aren't starting anything right bennybrokeback? adn you need to remember, you reflect upon your business and it's products. maybe not at this forum, but everywhere else you troll, you're looking more and more like an absolute idiot. and i don't even have to say a word. go figure that one out breakoneoffinbenny. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 135 Registered: Oct-06 | " why are you still trying to pick a fight with them? and you were also trying to start some kind of LOW-HZ conspiracy as well, anytime something goes wrong its their fault" and if that's directed at me, trey, get your facts straight. i'm not picking a fight with low-hz as a whole. only ben. kevin and i get along just fine. i don't blame low-hz for anything. read my post above this. because ben is 1/2 of low-hz, he reflects upon it. and if my attacking ben is attacking low-hz, it's through affliation only. ben is an idiot, a complete and utter coward who's riding on kevin's nutz to even claim he has a pair. when this forum wises up and sees that, like other forums, then maybe things will change. until then..... ben, you are my hobby farfromhung. as soon as you open your emouth and say something stupid, which is just about everytime you hit a key on the keyboard, i will do my best to bash your punk, nutless sack. or until you admit to your cowardice publicly here. whichever. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 907 Registered: Feb-06 | You wrote a LOT. I didn't have time to read it though. I'm a busy man. Go play with your mach5 sub. |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 60 Registered: May-07 | Playing with Mach 5 subs IS fun. You should try it sometime.. Kent, I don't know where you get your lines from but I laughed hard...! |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 908 Registered: Feb-06 | Give me a deal mark and maybe I would! |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 136 Registered: Oct-06 | hey bensbutthurtsfromthedailyanalpounding, next time i'll try to include pictures as reading and comprehension seems to be a bit above you. cliffnotes..you're a useless windbag of empty scrotum sack. teh fact you create multipule user names is proof enough of the fact you DON'T have a life, and aren't worthy of the air you breathe. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 909 Registered: Feb-06 | WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 137 Registered: Oct-06 | nothing to say? wow. i guess i should leave you alone then. loser. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Silver Member Username: ShowridesHartford, CT USA Post Number: 910 Registered: Feb-06 | About time! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3527 Registered: Jul-06 | "cliffnotes..you're a useless windbag of empty scrotum sack. teh fact you create multipule user names is proof enough of the fact you DON'T have a life, and aren't worthy of the air you breathe." He doesn't have a life but you seem very involved with it lol. |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 140 Registered: Oct-06 | yep, as i said above. i will forever bash his worthless sh!thole until 1) he acknowledges his cowardice on this forum and admits he was wrong or 2)people on this forum realize it for themselves and quit standing up for him. and too be honest, number 2 seems to be happening already. and bensgotapenisinhisthroat, i'm only finished talking to you until you open your sperm depository(your mouth) again. so don't rest easy, or party just yet. and imitation is the sinceriest form of flattery. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Bronze Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 52 Registered: May-07 | Please start a Ben VS. Kent thread if all this nonsense must continue so people know what they are clicking on to read. Thanks |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3IF U HEAR ME... crazydbs.com Post Number: 5803 Registered: Feb-06 | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee u all suck damn woffer vendors |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 3535 Registered: Jul-06 | "and imitation is the sinceriest form of flattery." You've said that before |
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Gold Member Username: OglejustPost Number: 2228 Registered: Aug-06 | good review... btw maw>rd |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 143 Registered: Oct-06 | Rob, yeah. i'm just reminding him. lol. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Gold Member Username: HdubbFarmington, Nm Usa Post Number: 2206 Registered: Nov-04 | idk ogle thats a real bold statement to say. which i disagree with. thy both have their strong points. thats a great price on that maw though. from what the review stated both great sq woofers |
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Bronze Member Username: Fish5IN Post Number: 11 Registered: May-07 | thanks for the great review kent! i've been thinking about getting 2 rd classic 12's, but now i'm not as sure..where's a good place to buy MAW12 from? i'm fairly new here, but take it that mrogowski sells them? |
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Gold Member Username: HdubbFarmington, Nm Usa Post Number: 2210 Registered: Nov-04 | yo kent what other reviews have you done? i don get on other forums very much.....but iwould love to see maybe a whole thredof uninteruppted reviews |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 64 Registered: May-07 | Kent is thorough in everything he does. Just ask his wife.. |
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Gold Member Username: WingmanaliveA pic is worth 1000 posts!! Post Number: 8291 Registered: Jun-06 |  |
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Bronze Member Username: MrogowskiPost Number: 65 Registered: May-07 | He knows its a respective joke. |
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Silver Member Username: Mike11202Sewell, NJ US Post Number: 792 Registered: Nov-06 | dont u guys all love ecoustics |
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Silver Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 949 Registered: Nov-06 | LMFAO PAUL HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA that is the funniest thing i've seen you post |
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Silver Member Username: Mrray13Post Number: 146 Registered: Oct-06 | hunter..i've done several. xxx vs rl-p years back, the maw vs rd, the icon. some can be seen at ssa and ca.com. most of those are uninterupted. mark, i think my wife would agree, lol. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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