Subs for Metal
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 125 Registered: Mar-09 | Alright, I know I ask a lot of different questions on here, but heres a new one. I am a big fan of Metal. What subs would sound best on that kind of music. I was thinking Eclipse or Diamond. I want 1, 2, or possibly 3 as long as they can stand 1000 RMS at any impedence. |
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Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamicSan Diego, California Post Number: 5256 Registered: Dec-06 | I would go IDMAX, Revo or RL-S. Diamond D3 or Type R for budget. Mid priced, Fi Q. |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO / ASU Post Number: 3653 Registered: Jul-05 | I would look into doing 4 10s sealed for punchy bass that will maintain a lot of SPL. I tend to find smaller diameter subs and sealed boxes much more fit for fast bass. Big subs and ported boxes just dont seem to cut it. Some say they do, but i've yet to find a 15 or 18 setup that loves 30+ seconds of double bass petals. And ive had a few 15/18 setups  Price range? Total RMS at what ohm? |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassSt. Louis, MO / ASU Post Number: 3654 Registered: Jul-05 | I'd also like to say all of this is strictly car audio subs and car audio applications. I dont want Brad calling me out with pro audio stuff, as we all know he could. |
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Silver Member Username: Bumpin_buickAppleton, Wisconsin USA Post Number: 295 Registered: Apr-07 | CHeck out the Acoustic Elegance AV subs. THere has been much debat on them but I stand behind them and they are sick subs for a great price. and hand smoothed aluminum cones, strong as hell. |
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Gold Member Username: FrkkevinTeam DLSSuperNatural... Post Number: 6949 Registered: Nov-05 | 4 SUNDOWN E8S |
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Silver Member Username: Vivi2000Lansing, Mi Post Number: 220 Registered: Aug-07 | I have a pair of RD Classic 12" subs sealed 1.25 each and they are great on metal. They hit every double bass kick and sound good and loud doing it(imo). They also sound great on rap too. I have heard great things about the IDMax, FI Q and sundown E8's too. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 126 Registered: Mar-09 | I'm working with 1000 RMS at any impedence 1.5-4 ohm. (JL 1000/1) Budget in the neighborhood of $2-$300. There is a sale on the RD Classics right now. So thats tempting. The e8's sound like a fun project, but I don't know where I could buy them. |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2711 Registered: May-07 | The RD classic is a great sounding sub. 3 Ascendant Audio assassins would sound good as well. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 127 Registered: Mar-09 | I talked to Kevin and i will be ordering two RD Classic 12's shortly. I am pretty excited. Can anyone spill me the details on reccomended box sizes? Thanks for all the input! |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 128 Registered: Mar-09 | "I have a pair of RD Classic 12" subs sealed 1.25 each and they are great on metal" Sorry Jon I spaced on that. lol, is 1.25^3 sealed the reccomended or just what you went with? |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 673 Registered: May-07 | Sealed is 1.0-1.33 cubes Ported is 1.66 - 2.25 ported is 12.5-17.5 sq inches of port opening per. Sealed will sound best |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 129 Registered: Mar-09 | Ok, sealed it is then, I will go with about 1.25^3 since Jon has had success with that size. I will update with pics!  |
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Gold Member Username: StnorrisFully Loaded BL 15?, IA US Post Number: 2281 Registered: Apr-06 | Just get 8 Alpine type R 10s and build a platform box with unicorn ports. Put 2 sonys amps on that and youll have the 2 fastest combined metal music players for that combination. |
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Gold Member Username: StnorrisFully Loaded BL 15?, IA US Post Number: 2282 Registered: Apr-06 | Also, look at the Mach Audio F5 #44381946 Stereo Set that comes with installation in the New mustangs...the nicer ones...that are a little faster...i think, like 1.9 on the 6s. That would sound real nice with the alpines and they are realllllll loud. This mach set had my ears ringin for a month. |
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Silver Member Username: Vivi2000Lansing, Mi Post Number: 228 Registered: Aug-07 | I had a 1.25 box from my other sub and most 12's use around that size sealed so i just made another for the other sub. I also put 1 lb of polyfill in each box and it seemed to me that it has hit lows better and louder overall(to my ears). |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana Team Audible... Post Number: 7540 Registered: Mar-04 | what vehicle? |
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Bronze Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 60 Registered: Apr-09 | my sonances sound great when i playing metal(they have v1 motors though with different soft parts) But im sure v2's sounds just as good if not better. i have em sealed up right now in a smaller box. Sounds great and gets loud on metal and rock |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 130 Registered: Mar-09 | They are going in a Buick LeSabre. What is polyfill? |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 132 Registered: Mar-09 | Alright, I am expecting my RD's here soon. Problem is I had to sell my JL amp to fix my car... I got about $200 left over to spend on a new amp to power the Classics... Suggestions? I was thinking something like maybe a Hifonics 1206d? |
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Silver Member Username: Vivi2000Lansing, Mi Post Number: 234 Registered: Aug-07 | I have a hifonics 1206d and it powers them nicely. Keep in mind that amp will only do about 800-900wrms clean though. Also polyfill makes the subs preform like they were in a larger enclosure, its not needed if you make the box the right size though. If you could spare some more money i would get an aq1200d or see how much an rd1000.1 would be, both will do their rated power. I have had no troubles with my hifonics amp though, running at 1 ohm. |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2721 Registered: May-07 | Audioque 1200d for $249 shipped. http://www.audioque.com/aq/index.htm |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2722 Registered: May-07 | 1.1-1.15cf sealed per 12" Classic sounded about perfect to me in the trunk of a grand prix. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 133 Registered: Mar-09 | You don't think that the Audioque will be too much for the subs to handle? |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2723 Registered: May-07 | They will love the power. Keep the power clean, which the AQ even has a clip light on the remote to make it easier. Out of curiosity are you going sealed or ported? |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 2724 Registered: May-07 | Oh and as far as box size that 1.1~1.15 cubic feet is after sub displacement. You need to take sub and wood displacement into account when building the box. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 134 Registered: Mar-09 | I am going with sealed. What is the link to the site that has the box builder on it? I believe it was RE Audio's. |
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Bronze Member Username: DangerangerOhio United States Post Number: 97 Registered: Mar-09 | http://reaudio.com/speaker_box/LPort_Box_Calc.html |
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Silver Member Username: Vivi2000Lansing, Mi Post Number: 235 Registered: Aug-07 | If its sealed all you need to do is take inside measurements, Length x Height x Width = cubic area. If you are measuring in inches then you need to divide by 1728 to get your cubic feet. And that box calculator is nice but its for a basic slot port. http://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/boxcalcs.asp go down to Volume Calculator - Rectangular/Square Enclosures. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 135 Registered: Mar-09 | Thanks for the help, I just found out the box I'm currently am using of my 12's is actually around 2ft^3. So i will want to look into building a slightly larger one for the RD's. |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 690 Registered: May-07 | call me tomorrow and ill help you with a box 770 726 9337 |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 138 Registered: Mar-09 | I got a nice shipment in today. i took a few pics. Steve, I'll have to call you Monday if that is Ok? I have been stupid busy the past few days with broken cars it isn't even funny. But here are some pics of the subs that lightened my mood a bit.    |
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Silver Member Username: Vivi2000Lansing, Mi Post Number: 240 Registered: Aug-07 | Thats a different dustcap than mine has, but the motor and basket look the same. Hope you like them |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 139 Registered: Mar-09 | I can't wait to test them out. I need to grab a new amp first. I have a JL 500 right now but looking to trade it for something bigger... I'd love to sell it and snag one of those RD 850's on sale before they're gone... |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 693 Registered: May-07 | we have four left as of today |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 131 Registered: Apr-09 | hmmm those look exactly the same as my sonances |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 141 Registered: Mar-09 | Thats wierd that you would say that, because I noticed on the big box they were shipped in, they were marked as 12" Sonances.  However, on the individual boxes they were marked as classics...  |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 132 Registered: Apr-09 | on my individual boxes they were marked as classics in the same red pen. they are supposed to be sonance promo subs with sonance v1 motors but my motors look the same as yours. like it looks like the exact same subs im about to post pics. |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 133 Registered: Apr-09 | [IMG]http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww77/metsfan_2009/IMG00018-20090623-1223.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww77/metsfan_2009/IMG00009-20090613-1613.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww77/metsfan_2009/IMG00010-20090613-1815.jpg[/IMG] look like yours? |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 142 Registered: Mar-09 | Yes they do... So, would that make my classics V1 Sonances then? |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 134 Registered: Apr-09 | maybe or maybe it could make my sonance v1 promos classics  that wouldnt be cool. i only paid 215 shipped for both but still. also the v1 promo subs were supposed to have a paer cone and my cones werent the paper cones. i didnt think twice about it at the time but now i am haha i didnt buy them directly from steve miller but the guy i bought them from did and told me they were the v1 promos. who knows... im confused |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 143 Registered: Mar-09 | I paid $200 for the set... Have you had them hooked up yet? |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 135 Registered: Apr-09 | yea.. they were made for spl. i hooked em up and they sound pretty f*ckin loud and they are in a prefab sealed box. i havent ported them yet but im sure the output is going to be better. i had them hooked up to a fusion 2000.1 and they were getting like 1200-1300 watts and it seemed like they wanted some more power. the owner before me had them on a rd 1750.1 and thats what im getting next week for them. idk maybe you did get lucky and get a pair of the rd sonance promos haha idk or maybe i have classics |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 144 Registered: Mar-09 | I hope I got lucky. The classics are SQ subs from what i've been told. I am looking for a bigger amp. I've looked at a Kicker 1200.1 (not my favorite option, but it is what is available.) 1200 watt US amp If I can sell my 500/1 soon I'm looking at an RD 850.1 |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 145 Registered: Mar-09 | https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/for-sale/546249.html Thats what a RD Classic looks like according to that thread... I think I got myself a pair of Promo Sonances instead...lol |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 136 Registered: Apr-09 | haha i think you are right man. our motors are different and so are the baskets. your going to love them if thats the case. they get really loud on low power. patrick simmons (who i got em from) hit mid 140's sealed up on a rd 1750. they sound really good too |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 146 Registered: Mar-09 | Sweet. I'm stoked to get a big enough amp! |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 147 Registered: Mar-09 | What do you think about running a Nine.1 on the RD's? 1400 @ 1 ohm at 14 volt. 1200 @ 1 ohm at 12.5 volt. Can get a brand new one w/warranty for 300-325 range. |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 695 Registered: May-07 | no you got classics. The classics come in master packs of four subwoofers. So i took two out and put them in another box to ship them |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 148 Registered: Mar-09 | O... ok. So how many watts is safe to run on them? |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 138 Registered: Apr-09 | i think the ed nine.1 would be fine for the classics. 500-700 and if you feel they are getting too much you can always set your gain accordingly |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1865 Registered: Aug-07 | i think the classics are meant for 500-600rms only..i wouldnt push them since they arent really RD's spl type of woofer. however, i could be totally wrong. so just wait til kevin or steve chimes in... i guess my post is a total fail since i suggested to not take my advice and wait for another... im on a fail streak tonight i think |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 149 Registered: Mar-09 | lol, well, here's a list of amps i'm looking at right now and how much I could find them for. Lightning Audio Storm 1000.1bd - $135 shipped Sundown 1000D - $150 + shipping NINe.1 - $340 JL 1000/1 - $400 RD 850.1 (If still available) - $185 shipped Which would be best or is there one not on the list I should consider? |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 150 Registered: Mar-09 | And an Orion HCCA 2400d - $200 shipped |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 699 Registered: May-07 | up to 500 RMS is suggested. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 151 Registered: Mar-09 | Alright, does everybody think I'd be safe with a Sundown 1000D then? i think 150 + shipping is a pretty good price for it... Any opinion is appreciated. =] BTW, i got 6.5" Type R components and 5.25 co-axials today for mids and highs to compliment the Classics. |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 144 Registered: Apr-09 | nice... type r comps are nice. my friend has a set in his truck and they sound really nice. how much did you pay? please dont tell me you went to best buy haha and yea you would be fine with the sundown 1000d. perfect match. if i were you though i would probably get the rd 850.1 just because matching products is cool  lol and you probably wont hear any difference in output between the sundown and rd amp. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 152 Registered: Mar-09 | I wouldn't go to Best Buy unless I wanted to be raped by a man in blue and yellow. Ha I basically traded a JL 300/4 for the two sets of speakers BNIB and two 8" MTX 6000's in small truck boxes. Although now I have the speakers and need a new amp to run them. haha I planned on buying a cheaper amp then those JL's anyways. Getting out of that game. If CACO doesn't activate my membership soon i'm going to grab an RD 850.1. I've been waiting on the activation email for hours... |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 145 Registered: Apr-09 | try sending it again. it shouldnt take that long. when i registered it was instant. have you browsed through the classifieds on ca.com yet? probably all of the same stuff as caco. i like caco a lot though because it has all the classifieds in different sections. really easy to find stuff |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 154 Registered: Mar-09 | Yeah ca.com is where I have been browsing, but i am trying to find caco... Can you post a link? Idk why my computer is telling me broken link everytime I click on something.  |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 149 Registered: Apr-09 | www.caraudioclassifieds.org make sure you find legit sellers though but im sure you already know that. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 156 Registered: Mar-09 | Thanks for the link, I wish I would have been on there a month or two ago. RD 1000.1 sold for 175 shipped!  O well, I will be ordering the 850.1 from Steve today. |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 152 Registered: Apr-09 | no problem. good stuff man. do you have a box yet or design? are you gonna seal em up or go ported? |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 159 Registered: Mar-09 | The original plan was sealed for quicker bass response on metal, but i'm going to talk to steve and see what would be best. I still want to be able to abort babies in the back seat. lmao |
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Silver Member Username: Ridicbass07060Sonances wangin Post Number: 153 Registered: Apr-09 | hahahaha no doubt |
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Silver Member Username: Vivi2000Lansing, Mi Post Number: 249 Registered: Aug-07 | If you do end up making a ported box, let us know how it turns out. I was thinking about making one but didnt want to lose the great responsiveness that they have sealed(i read a review that sad they got sloppy ported so i was weary). The extra volume would be nice but if that meant no responsiveness then i wouldn't do it. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 160 Registered: Mar-09 | I'll report whatever I end up doing with them. Whether it be ported or sealed. And I have ordered a RD 850.1. So that will be my amp or use. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 164 Registered: Mar-09 | Got a delivery this morning.  Hooking them up in a pre-fab slot ported box for testing very soon. Can't hardly wait. |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 170 Registered: Mar-09 | For anyone who is still interested... lol Got everything installed today, tested the RD's on a little bit of rap. Me and My Goons - Plies Sounded great, hit the lows very nicely. Could feel it vibrating my chest. However there was poor response on metal. So I will need to get a sealed box for them and see how they will perform in it. NOTE*** Used a PRE FAB slot ported box... so I wasn't expecting great results on metal at all. Should be a hundred times better on Metal in sealed box to specs. |
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Gold Member Username: Drant19DUB-C, TX Post Number: 1891 Registered: Aug-07 | prefab ported box..FTL |
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Silver Member Username: Jordon32990Hagerstown, IN Post Number: 171 Registered: Mar-09 | I know I know... But its what I had available. |
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