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Bronze Member Username: WhoaitstonyPost Number: 17 Registered: Jan-08 | alright i'm almost ready to pay for a 12" sub. i've asked here before and was told that i should get AQ HDC3, but a friend of mine told me that ssa icon's are pretty good. the SSA's are rated at 900 rms and the HDC3 is at 1000 rms i think. the amp i'm gonna be using is the rockford fosgate t10001bd and i was just wondering what would be better for daily driving and what would suit my amp better. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8121 Registered: Jun-04 | http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9449 The wait is over and the ICON review is here! Thanks go to Aaron, aka denim, and to Mark,aka SSaudio, for making this possible. Thanks again for having enough faith in me to do this. I really appreciate it! Again, the test mule is my 2004 Silverado extended cab. Power will again be supplied by a Memphis Memphis Belle, MCH1300, at 1ohm nominal. Roughly 1100wrms, with the gains set with an o-scope to just clipping. Electrical is the big three in 1/0, a yellow top under the hood, and 1/0 Memphis wire throughout. Source unit is a Clarion DXZ955MC with HPF at 120hz and LPF set to 80hz. The enclosures used are a 1.25ft^3 net sealed affair and a down firing 2.0ft^3 ported box with a 4" port tuned to 34hz. SSA ICON 12d2 MSRP $369 "At the heart of the ICON line up, we have the ICON 12D2. With a perfect mixture of output and sound quality the ICON 12D2 is pure sonic joy. With a dual spiders and a powerful motor, you can be rest assured you will have excellent linear excursion from the ICON 12D2. If you really want to move some air without losing any bit of clarity, the ICON 12D2 is a top choice." Build quality is excellent. Using a tried and true 12 spoke basket, hefty 12 gauge tinsel leads with felt pads on the cone and push pin style terminals, it's got everything one would expect from a subwoofer at this price. The triple stack motor looks industrial without a boot and it's a touch I like. And with only a bit of excess glue around the spider, it looks like the builders take pride in their work. From the tasteful logo on the "bb" style dustcap, to the pulp paper cone and the fat foam surround, there isn't anything I would change about this sub. Sealed box; If all you want is a flat response from your sub in a sealed box, then this sub works. If you want output from your sealed sub setup, this isn't your woofer. While the sub can handle anything musical thrown at it, it's not going to overwhelm anything in a sealed box. From Dimmu Borgir's double kicks to the heavy lows from Lil John and everything in between, nothing seemed to trip the sub up. However, as nice as it sounds, as quick as it is, it just doesn't get loud. Some might like that, it should blend brilliantly with just about any setup, especially if crossed over low. But just don't expect record sealed box numbers. Ported box; As night is to day, this sub performs that much differently ported compared to sealed. While still a very clean sounding sub, the output is finally there. As the specs hint at, so does this sub do. It's a ported box subwoofer. Lightning quick with little delay, dropping low with ease, yet with enough force to tickle the ears even on subtle bass lines, this thing is a pleasure in a ported box. Listening to Ozzy's "Paranoid", I was startled at the impact of the kick and double kicks in the song. Switch to the Lil John remix of "My Humps" and the truck shutters, hearing rattles I haven't heard since I pulled the s18x out of my truck. Now the output is nowhere near that, but it is the perceived loudest under the seat setup I've had to date. And to top it off, in this ported box, the sub is a "pure sonic joy" to listen too. Term Lab testing; Done DB Drag style, mic on dash, truck sealed up, engine off. Sealed box; As noted above, this sub simply doesn't have overwhelming output in this particular sealed box. It achieved a so-so best of 126.9db at around 40hz. Move up to around 78hz, and it drops 5db. It got beat by both the Maw12 and Classic 12 previously tested, and they had half the power. Ported Box; Again, it came alive in the ported box with just over a 5db jump over sealed, recording a best of 132db flat @ 40hz, yet again. Yeah, this thing is a SUBwoofer, lol *special note* TL numbers were taken with a brand new sub. No break in was done. I will update the TL testing soon. Overall; What more is there to say? This thing pounds down low, is extremely quick and agile for a sub and is sexy to boot. It can handle any kind of music tossed at it and do it with a grin on it's face. It's got so much going for it, that it's hard not to overlook it's output on the meter. The upside to the weak showing on the meter, is the fact that it's best numbers came so low, 40hz, both ported and sealed. I mean this thing is a bass racer's dream. And it's hard to call it's showing weak, but I guess I was expecting more, even though no where does SSA claim this to be a high output sub. And 132db @ 40hz isn't exactly a quiet, or weak, single 12 setup. In the end, this thing does everything that Aaron and Mark claims it will do. Play low, play clean, snap crisp kicks and thunderous booms, and handle every bit of power the Belle could throw at it. Toss in it's great looks and build, and at $250, you'll be hard pressed to find a sub that does what this one does. SSA has a winner here and a product they should be proud of. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8122 Registered: Jun-04 | well as you see there if you want a loud sub its not a ground pounder...and judging from your other choice the hdc3 12 you want loud bass...personally id probably skip the hdc3 12 and go with the new mag for just under 275 shipped ...if its as good as others say the old mag subs are youll be pleased... it will get loud and sound better than hdc3 12...the hdc3 12 is loud but I just dont care for the overall sq |
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Bronze Member Username: WhoaitstonyPost Number: 18 Registered: Jan-08 | so what is your choice of sub that i should aim for sean? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8143 Registered: Jun-04 | like I said above get the new mag 12 ...its not out yet but should be soon...it should be rated 900 rms and be just under 275 shipped |
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Bronze Member Username: WhoaitstonyPost Number: 19 Registered: Jan-08 | got a link of the sub? |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 8145 Registered: Jun-04 | hers the old mag si 12 stats http://www.stereointegrity.com/oldmag.php http://www.stereointegrity.com/mag.php old mag si pics http://junkies.wordpress.com/2007/04/21/new-stereo-integrity-mag-prototype-pics/ new mag si pic...they only show the front of the sub...thats all they show for now copy and paste this link in another window it will work http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t14182.html |
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Bronze Member Username: WhoaitstonyPost Number: 20 Registered: Jan-08 | thanks for the links. those subs look pretty good. when do you think they would come out? i wanted to get the HDC3 but they ended up being out of stock and are restocking mid march i think. are the mags on the SQL or SQ side? |
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Gold Member Username: Nyyfan1315 MAG USA Post Number: 8722 Registered: Jul-06 | They are very solid sql subs. The sq on them are good and they get pretty damn loud imo. The new Mags are supposed to be better than the current Mag. It is supposed to have better sq, be used in smaller boxes, and be more efficient with an rms of under 1k. A bunch of info can be found in this thread: http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=12893&st=0 Review of the new Mag done by the owner of SI http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14719&st=0 |