FI Q vs Icon
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 691 Registered: Aug-06 | I just ran a WINisd of the icon, Q, BL, and SX and beleive it or not the q and icon had the best response in my box. should i trust this? if so which driver is better the q or icon? i have 2200 rms for them to eat up can the icons take it? ps hopefully this will be my last thread about this hahaha. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 692 Registered: Aug-06 | also what does the bp power option on the q do? |
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Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219Post Number: 355 Registered: Jun-06 | doesnt it add 200-500watts rms handling to it? It says it on the Fi website |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 693 Registered: Aug-06 | o well i only have 2200 rms so i dont think i will ne needing that. |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderPalm Beach, Florida Post Number: 5799 Registered: Jan-06 | Q and icon, basically the same sub, fi OEMs them. buy whats cheaper or whatever you want the dust cap to say. i havnt heard the icon but this is what i hear. |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1679 Registered: Nov-06 | The Q and Icon have different TS parameters. I dunno. WinISD won't model very accurately, by the way. It doesn't take the car's cabin into consideration. |
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Gold Member Username: Killerzracing71Fredericksburg, Virginia United states Post Number: 1876 Registered: Aug-05 | 2200 rms with that with you will need the bp option i emailed scott and he said that i should use that and i only run 1500rms..... he also said that if you run your subs hard it will be good... you just running one sub ?? |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 702 Registered: Aug-06 | no 2 12's. the Q is rated at 1000 rms so i would think it could take 1100 without the bp option. or is the 1000 rms with the bp option? |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1682 Registered: Nov-06 | Nah, they're 1000 with no options, I believe. |
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Gold Member Username: Mike11202DD9515G VFL 200.1 = : , Sewell, NJ US Post Number: 1226 Registered: Nov-06 | get the icon |
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Gold Member Username: Naledge503Http://www.LowDownForu... Post Number: 2753 Registered: Jun-06 | A long time ago Scott said on this forum that he does not recommend more than 1300rms on a regular Q. The BP does a few different things to the sub. "This new option adds a machined aluminum compression plug to the pole which helps channel all of the air under the dustcap around the coil for better cooling. To aid with this increased airflow we also add 6 axial cooling channels in the top plate. Along with increased thermal capacity comes the addition of an extra spider and a changed spider pack for a little extra mechanical ability. All of these new features increase power handling from 200-500 Watts depending on the application. " http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8161 The T/S parameters of the Q and Icon are very similar. Denim will tell you that the Icon will get just a tad louder than the Q but both are very god drivers. You cant really get a real world result from WINisd, just an idea. There are way more factors to be added in a real world situation. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 704 Registered: Aug-06 | yea i know but if its louder in open air at every frequency then shouldnt it be louder in my car at every frequency as well? btw between the SX, BL, Q, Icon, and id max the id max was the loudest BY FAR and at every frequency but i dont think they will take the 1100 rms each they will be seeing. if i can get ssa to cut me a deal on the icons i will probly get them. FI wont wheel and deal with me  . Mark |
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Gold Member Username: Killerzracing71Fredericksburg, Virginia United states Post Number: 1879 Registered: Aug-05 | yeah win isd doesnt take cabin gain into consideration........ i used a it on my Treo TSX i got a 19db gain from what win isd said so i just use that as an estimate in "MY" car dont know how your car is...... but it gives you an idea on how it acts with a sub that you know nuthing about you know win isd FTW |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1688 Registered: Nov-06 | LEAP 5 FTW. Not being able to afford it FTL. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 709 Registered: Aug-06 | tru that. well if i cant get a deal on the icons then sx it is. |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 557 Registered: Nov-06 | What many people have learned is WinISD cannot be accurately trusted for real life response or performance. It is an ok gauge of what might happen, but not accurate. Leap is very good. Also, the ICON and the Q are not the same sub, so who ever wants to spread that false info needs to stop please. The ICON and the Q are in the same class of sub, have similar performance, and both are very good high excursion SQ subs. But they are different drivers, just look at the specs and the pictures and you can see. As for which one is louder, that is all in the install and the power given. It is a win win choice which ever way you choose. Mark Scafetta, email me at support@soundsolutionsaudio.com. We are already giving free shipping, as it is, on a very heavy sub woofer, but if you are getting a pair I can give a little multi-item discount. Looking forward to your email. |
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Gold Member Username: Naledge503Http://www.LowDownForu... Post Number: 2756 Registered: Jun-06 | denim FTW! |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7532 Registered: Feb-06 | winisd is for free air applications... sometimes u compare x vs x vs x and one of them seems or looks like its bad.. and when uput it in yourcar.. the acoustics of the cars makes it outperform the other subwoofers u though it was better.. it really depends in alot of things... not just with winisd ull see how good it is |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 719 Registered: Aug-06 | email sent Anyways is it safe to assume that as long as the subs are in the same box that winisd will be able gauge which setup is louder? or is it possible that even having the same box that the subs wont all be effected equally by cabin gain? not really sure if im making sence or not i wish i had leap |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderPalm Beach, Florida Post Number: 5805 Registered: Jan-06 | denim, i clearly said BASICALLY, iv posted the same before and you basically agreed with me. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1919 Registered: Nov-06 | Mat you BASICALLY got PWNED lmfao |
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Gold Member Username: Killerzracing71Fredericksburg, Virginia United states Post Number: 1885 Registered: Aug-05 | and how is win isd for free air applications.... you mean it only tells you output in a free air "enviroment" and i agree that the acoustics of your car has alot to do with it...but if you want to gauge the sub there you go oh zpeppfily mclovilin im still waitn on proof about the ava??? |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderPalm Beach, Florida Post Number: 5809 Registered: Jan-06 | ray every time you post you pwn yourslef. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1925 Registered: Nov-06 | learn how to spell feggy lmao "yourslef" PWNED but like always you know i'm just playing bud ;) |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 729 Registered: Aug-06 | ok so i dont really think i understand still. if the graph says its louder is it going to be louder or not? same box was ran on all subs and they will all be going into the same car. or is it possible that one with a worse graph can still be louder even if the only difference is the driver itself, everything else held constant? |
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Gold Member Username: AdddisorderPalm Beach, Florida Post Number: 5812 Registered: Jan-06 | it all comes down to box and power really. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 737 Registered: Aug-06 | alright then im just gonna get the cheapest ones in that case. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1929 Registered: Nov-06 | Bad choice son pay for quality ;) |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 739 Registered: Aug-06 | they are all quality. as i said before im not buying xplodes lol. its between the sx, icon, q, bl, and id max. all of which are high quality. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1931 Registered: Nov-06 | ok i'm gonna exclude the id max cus i don't even know where it would go but in my opinion BL>SX>ICON>Q if you want output SX>BL>ICON>Q if you want output with low end Q>ICON>SX>BL If you want SQ and i'm sure the Id Max would be some great SQL |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 742 Registered: Aug-06 | i think you may have mixed up the Q and BL or are you referring to my specific enclosure? |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1933 Registered: Nov-06 | idk i'm excluding your specific enclosure i'm just talking in general the BL is meant to get louder than the Q, the Q is meant more for SQ and the SX would be in like the middle it has output while retaining some SQ and low end ;) the BL can get louder than an SX but lacks in the low end compared to the SX so yeah. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindIM THE REAL SLIM SHADY Post Number: 16980 Registered: Oct-05 | ray you make it seem like you tried all those subs. that is a bold statement you are making. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1934 Registered: Nov-06 | its called research my friend ;) i actually do extensive research on every sub before i buy my subs i dont just go posting threads asking for opinions and seeing as i'm a bold person i'll go ahead and make this bold statement.  |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 744 Registered: Aug-06 | according to what you said your "greater than less than signs" are going the wrong way LOL. 5>4 that means 5 is gretar than 4 |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1935 Registered: Nov-06 | what are you talking about Mark? |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 745 Registered: Aug-06 | o actully i get it now you were just doing a rank from right to left left being best. nvm im slow. but still 5>4. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 746 Registered: Aug-06 | yo you totally edited that sh1t ray. nice try tho LMAO. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1936 Registered: Nov-06 | Mark you got issues bro i have no clue what your talking about though sorry |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 6511 Registered: Jul-06 | "ray you make it seem like you tried all those subs. that is a bold statement you are making." I agree. |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindIM THE REAL SLIM SHADY Post Number: 16981 Registered: Oct-05 | he said he researched it all so its cool. |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassASU Post Number: 2353 Registered: Jul-05 | "id max the id max was the loudest BY FAR and at every frequency but i dont think they will take the 1100 rms each" False. Thats a perfect amount of power for an ID max and i would take the ID max over any of the other subs mentioned x5. However i find it hard to believe it will be louder than an SX or BL. |
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Silver Member Username: DurskiPost Number: 210 Registered: Nov-06 | Just got my new 15 Q today Q FTW |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindIM THE REAL SLIM SHADY Post Number: 16984 Registered: Oct-05 | the new idmax is sick. wish i had the money to try them out. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 6513 Registered: Jul-06 | "idk i'm excluding your specific enclosure i'm just talking in general the BL is meant to get louder than the Q, the Q is meant more for SQ and the SX would be in like the middle it has output while retaining some SQ and low end ;) the BL can get louder than an SX but lacks in the low end compared to the SX so yeah." This makes no sense. How can you exclude his enclosure when all of the above subs will perform far differently in that enclosure? Is the above statement based upon each subs optimal enclosure using the same power across all subs or is the above statement based upon each subs optimal enclosure and maximum RMS power handling in that enclosure? Also are all the enclosures tuned to the same frequency? Have you researched each and every one of the above subs performance and output in their optimal sealed enclosure? Comparing subs is usally never fair for 2 reasons, 1.They have different power needs or handling and 2.They require different enclosures. A "fair" way to test them would be to take two different subs and use a single enclosure to test between the two while giving the subwoofers the same amount of power, basically a drop-in test and note the frequency response and output via a meter or sensor. I highly doubt you've researched all of this Ray. |
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Gold Member Username: JakeyplaysbassASU Post Number: 2355 Registered: Jul-05 | "the new idmax is sick. wish i had the money to try them out." You do! |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1937 Registered: Nov-06 | why are you making such a big deal out of this before i posted i said this is MY OPINION its just an opinion not fact he doesn't even have to listen to me you just like to blow sh!t out of proportion. It would be great if you came on this thread to try and help people instead of trying to flame them. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 6514 Registered: Jul-06 | "why are you making such a big deal out of this before i posted i said this is MY OPINION its just an opinion not fact he doesn't even have to listen to me you just like to blow sh!t out of proportion. It would be great if you came on this thread to try and help people instead of trying to flame them." It's your opinion? You need to "research" what flaming is because you're so far off. I guess you're the only one who has made a big deal out of it, I'm merely posting in a reply to what you've posted, it's not a BIG deal to me "its called research my friend ;) i actually do extensive research on every sub before i buy my subs i dont just go posting threads asking for opinions and seeing as i'm a bold person i'll go ahead and make this bold statement. " I guess your opinion is equivalent to research cool. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1938 Registered: Nov-06 | out of the respect that i had for you when we were cool i'm just gonna let this go good job bro you pwned me later. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 6518 Registered: Jul-06 | Nobody pwned you Ray. I wanted to know where you got your research from and the details of it that's all. |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 6519 Registered: Jul-06 | Ray, I went out of my way just to find this thread as a gift to you to show that there was no hostility in this thread  https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/375774.html |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1939 Registered: Nov-06 | ok Bro no worries lol that thread cracked me up good old Harv gettin PWNED by everyone on E good times. |
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Silver Member Username: Philly306After 194dBs your car ..., North carolina Post Number: 783 Registered: Apr-07 | lol big harv ftl Rob's multi-pwn ftw |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 747 Registered: Aug-06 | "False. Thats a perfect amount of power for an ID max and i would take the ID max over any of the other subs mentioned x5. However i find it hard to believe it will be louder than an SX or BL." according to winISD the ID max killed all of the other subs i have mentioned. "it all comes down to box and power really." the charts i generated were all in the same box and on the same power so should i go with the one thats the loudest according to the chart or is it possible that the same car can have different effects on the different woofers even if they are in the same box and in the same position? |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7536 Registered: Feb-06 | wait killeracing wants me to prove that an alpha gets lower than an avalanche.. |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 752 Registered: Aug-06 | denim i never got a reply back. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7540 Registered: Feb-06 | go with the best you like not the best u think winisd is better... winisd is just a reference if your using them for car audio |
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Silver Member Username: MendonmafiaUSA Post Number: 754 Registered: Aug-06 | in that case im gonna get the sx's and pray i dont have retarted port noise. |
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Gold Member Username: Extrmndor3Http://illuzonemu.serv..., ^^^Sick Game Post Number: 7541 Registered: Feb-06 | subs are not the reason for retarder port noise... is your tuning,your box, your port area, and your box volume is what causes port noise.. port velocity=port noise sometimes the bigger the port area the better.. yes is true as long as you dont past the optimunt amount allowable the port crates some kind of load to the subwoofer. thats why when you put ports... it creates a load to the woofer by slowing air down and help the woofer creates more preassure.. too much slowing air is what makes port noise happen and reduce output thats why most people tell you to go with the most port area as you can.. do that with the sxs... and you will be a happy re audio customer with no dissapointments |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 559 Registered: Nov-06 | Mat Dope: I was not trying to "own" you. The ICON and Q share a basket style and surround. If I ever agreed with you on it being the same sub woofer, I must have misunderstood your post. They are in the same class of driver and have similar performance but they are not the same sub, thats all.  Mark Scafetta: Mark, I saw the email, you sent it after I got off line last night. SSA is still very small and both of us work full time. I will respond to your email as soon as I finish this post. I don't see any RE tech's in here. RayRay: Have you heard an ICON in person yet? |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1940 Registered: Nov-06 | no i haven't. I've only heard the SX in person. |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 560 Registered: Nov-06 | Was asking because you had ranked the subs in 3 different categories without hearing some. |
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Gold Member Username: BasssquaredKansas Post Number: 1942 Registered: Nov-06 | yeah if you didn't read the whole thread that has already been brought to my attention bud but thanks ;) |
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Silver Member Username: Philly306After 194dBs your car ..., North carolina Post Number: 785 Registered: Apr-07 | i wish i could hear an Icon. |
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Silver Member Username: DenimWww.TeamSSAudio.com, MD Post Number: 561 Registered: Nov-06 | Ok, my fault. |
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Gold Member Username: •cam•BC Canada Post Number: 1707 Registered: Nov-06 | "A "fair" way to test them would be to take two different subs and use a single enclosure to test between the two while giving the subwoofers the same amount of power, basically a drop-in test and note the frequency response and output via a meter or sensor." Now I know you are fairly knowledgeable, man, but would that really be a fair comparison? Different subs would have different optimal enclosures, so while one sub may be in the perfect enclosure for itself and the vehicle, the other may have benefited from a slightly different box. In this case, "perfect" is defined as whatever you're looking for in your sub-stage. IDK, using one box didn't seem quite fair. |
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