Will it do 146db+?
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4013 Registered: Mar-06 | Ive been trying to plan out a perfect daily system for the near future and wanted some opinoins on what it will take to hit atleast 146db at 32hz if not atleast 148db... and in the 150s a bit higher i wanna go with 4 12's and have about 2cu for each they would all be seperate boxes for them to all fit in the trunk and be positioned correctly, 2 ports would fire directly up through a space that the stock sub was removed from getting more airflow into the cabin and the rear middle of the seat comes down for a bit more air... the other 2 ports would fire into the center rear of the trunk all subs firing towards the rear, ill have 300A alt when finished so im hoping to reach this goal with 2500rms or so leaving me with 500rms or so for components and all... any ideas\opinoins on this? I was thinking W6\RL-P box would be tuned in low 30's range |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4017 Registered: Mar-06 | and any opinions on the AA Arsenals? http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/shop/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=164 |
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Gold Member Username: 420alldaylongPost Number: 3111 Registered: Sep-06 | Its hard to say there is so much sh!t that matters. 146 loud and 150 is insane do you know what you are doing if so that helps alot. But heres a start 4 12" AudioQue SD2.5's on that 2500RMS. |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 202 Registered: May-07 | @32 HZ to acheive 150DB at that note will be tough. Even 146db @ 32HZ is REALLY hard in the trunk. Because if you can do 146db @ 32hz you will break 150 at around 37-40HZ. Make sure the subwoofer you use is able to play 30hz really hard. I would reccomend researching your vehicle to see what others have been able to do tuned that low and the designs they used to get some ideas. |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1470 Registered: Dec-03 | Steve, haha, that is completely wrong. Yes, 150db in a trunk at 32 hz will take the right equipment and some skill. But the statement, "Because if you can do 146db @ 32hz you will break 150 at around 37-40HZ. ", what are you talking about man? |
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Gold Member Username: Th3pwn3rPost Number:... Post Number: 6435 Registered: Jul-06 | Maybe Steve was saying that if you had the right equipment or if you could do an install that could hit those numbers at that frequency that you could have a car that hits 150 on the same equipment? I dunno... |
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Bronze Member Username: GignmofoPost Number: 59 Registered: Jul-05 | Steve, I definitely do not have the skills many of you have, so I am not quite sure how that works? Could you explain how this extrapolation is obtained. Thanks |
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Silver Member Username: TurnmatRacine, Wi Post Number: 559 Registered: Feb-07 | I think what Steve means is that if you can do 146 db's @ 32hz that if you tuned it to 37-40 hz you will break 150 db's but i might be pointing out the obvious |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7478 Registered: Jun-04 | I think hes claiming that you would get that much more spl above its 32 hz port tune because its 5-8 hz above tuning and most cars have this characteristic....but I think Zac is saying that isnt a hard and fast rule to get 4 db more which I would probably agree with |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7479 Registered: Jun-04 | but im sure Steve knows this too....and it was just a quick guess |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 207 Registered: May-07 | Pretty much In my experience if a box is tuned to 32HZ and say you can do 146 @ 32hz you will be the loudest like you said 5-8hz above the tuning. It isnt to say that happens 100% of the time but it has been my experience. In my 2003 tahoe i had a box with 2 15" Alphas running off a 3250.1 tuned to 32hz about 8 cubes. 32hz was 147.1/ 36 hz 148.2/ 43 hz 150.1 when i took the same subs and put them in a 10 cube box tuned to 36HZ i did 146.1 @ 32hz/ 148.4 @ 36hz/ 150.8 @ 42hz all was done on music. But like i said it is possible diffrent boxes or vehicles will react diffrently. the Larger box lowered my F3 so i could still play lower notes but be louder around 36+hz. Now i have two heavyweight 15" in there on one 3250 we will see how that does. Later this month i will be adding a second 3250.1 and 3 more powemaster 3100's. Another thing is i always build my boxes for daily ground pounder applications. So maybe Spl boxes are slightly diffrent in how they respond. |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4029 Registered: Mar-06 | there we go now u see what i mean sean. whats it gunna take? im buying the best of anytthing i find when i do it |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7483 Registered: Jun-04 | well my opinion would be use what you own now to see where your at with a 32 hz tone with a single 12 and then two 12's just to see how things work....keeping your space limits in mind using four 12's |
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Silver Member Username: TeamrevolutionATLANTA, GA USA Post Number: 208 Registered: May-07 | Killa You said A-town in your SIg. A-town do you mean Atlanta? Because if it is i can let you hear some subwoofers and some 150+ daily rides. to get some ideas |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7484 Registered: Jun-04 | that would be a good idea esp.if they have a vehicle done similar to the one you have |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1485 Registered: Dec-03 | Steve, I'm not sure what you were experiencing but thats not how SPL set-ups respond. The boxes you have built seem to like the higher frequency but it had nothing to do with adding 5-8hz, it was the cabin gain that gave you higher amplitude. |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4030 Registered: Mar-06 | well i dont have much at all anymore i sold all my old stuff because i wanted to start from scratch again. Im thinking if not 4(undecided) 12's then 6 type r's if i can get away wit em fitting and do 3K on em, all in all if i can atleast hit 150db+ under 40hz ill be happy aslong as 32hz is still sounding good n loud and close in comparison to the SPl |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4031 Registered: Mar-06 | also A-town (alsip) lol hey zac is that DD shop in beloit? i never seen a single sound shop out there but then again i havnt lived there in about 10 years and havnt visited in a few... |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4037 Registered: Mar-06 | ^bump |
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Gold Member Username: Safe_crackerChicago, IL US Post Number: 3876 Registered: Jan-06 | I know Beloit has a Walgreens, lOl. Polo.. |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTeam Revolution, Texas Post Number: 1609 Registered: Mar-07 | zac he wasn't talking about SPL boxes...he was talking about daily boxes.... |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1491 Registered: Dec-03 | Thieves, he is still wrong. That was the case for his particular vehicle and build, but it should never be considered to be a rule of thumb, its just not accurate information. Yes my shop is in Beloit. We're directly between Milwaukee, Chicago, and Madison. Like any city we have the good with the bad. It is getting better though, two years ago I was robbed at gunpoint and I shot the guy with my 45. He shot back, bla bla bla, nobody got hurt, he got away without any money, i called the cops, they found him a month later. I guess what I'm saying is beloit is a small city with big city crime. Murders all the time, robberies, ect., it's ridiculous. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5795 Registered: Mar-04 | You know, come to think about it...don't Tahoe's usually like ~41-44hz? I have never really played w/ a Tahoe much for strictly SPL, but have metered quit a few. I seem to remember seeing ALOT of them peaking around there. |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1493 Registered: Dec-03 |  |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5796 Registered: Mar-04 | Thats what I thought  |
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Platinum Member Username: BestmankindIM THE REAL SLIM SHADY Post Number: 16719 Registered: Oct-05 | yeah berny's tahoe was peaking at around those frequencies canaan. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5797 Registered: Mar-04 | Either way, 47's at 32hz daily is mean  |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTeam Revolution, Texas Post Number: 1611 Registered: Mar-07 | "I shot the guy with my 45. He shot back, bla bla bla, nobody got hurt" that's great |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1495 Registered: Dec-03 | Yeah tell me about it, I had guns pulled on me in the past but that was the first time ever hearing them go bang with bullets being fired at me. ugg! Changed things a little, I'm a little less trusting of customers I don't know that look shady. You never know, unfortunately thats why we keep a gun on us at the store, pitiful really. Canaan, oh yeah I agree!, 47's at any freq is hella loud daily :D |
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Gold Member Username: JtownTeam Revolution, Texas Post Number: 1613 Registered: Mar-07 | my question is, how did you shoot the fool and then no one got hurt? did you mean, you shot at him? lol guns are dangerous, but I guess it may be somewhat of a necessary evil in your position |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7494 Registered: Jun-04 | im not convined that a resonant frequency is just one frequency or a select few....We peak at 54 to 55 hz almost all the time but one time we peaked at 59 hz on 1200 - 1400 watts vs 54-55hz on 2600 watts with A 15 and the rated power on the sub was 1400 rms....this was in a spl box |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1496 Registered: Dec-03 | harmonics |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5798 Registered: Mar-04 | In many cases, your actually res. freq w/ shift as you get louder. That added power can have huge effects on SPL and freq. responce. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7495 Registered: Jun-04 | can you explain that to me Zac |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7496 Registered: Jun-04 | why did our res. freq go up on less power though 54-55 to 59 hz on less |
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Gold Member Username: ZacdavisBeloit, Wi Post Number: 1497 Registered: Dec-03 | That is very common Sean. As stated before, this also is relative to the vehicle and system. In the Rex, I ran 63hz, with the same woofers and enclosure, but with twice the power, the note was 60hz. As for harmonics, call me up, we don't wanna give up all our secrets haha. |
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Gold Member Username: SouthernrebelMonroe, Louisiana 2 DD3515s, 2... Post Number: 5799 Registered: Mar-04 | Exactly, when I first got my old 9515D and reconed it the nite before a comp...I peaked at 53hz on a jbl bp1200.1 at 1.4ohm. Then when I swapped to a IA20.1 and burped at .35ohm, I peaked at 48-49hz. The only change was the amp and load. |
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Gold Member Username: InsearchofbassPost Number: 7502 Registered: Jun-04 | zac davis... That is very common Sean. As stated before, this also is relative to the vehicle and system. In the Rex, I ran 63hz, with the same woofers and enclosure, but with twice the power, the note was 60hz. As for harmonics, call me up, we don't wanna give up all our secrets haha. haha your right....sometimes I think I give up to much too...I might just do that |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4038 Registered: Mar-06 | zac knoes what im saying no1 ever believes me on that |
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Gold Member Username: JohnfiacA-ToWn, Bangn aint easy ....when u g... Post Number: 4039 Registered: Mar-06 | and that amp moved that sub pretty good canaan right? |
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