Digital cameras whats next
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12480 Registered: Jun-04 | I want my idmax but the guy hasnt gotten back to me yet. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21280 Registered: Jun-06 | Shoot. I didn't see this thread. We'll shelf the other one I made for another day. My bad. How's life Charlie? |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12490 Registered: Jun-04 | My bro is getting me his pricing thats why. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15511 Registered: Jul-05 | ok kool we have a DC dealer here in my country since about mid last yr & he is about 5mins away from me last yr i did a L3 12" for some1 - sounded decent but it was not too hot on lows & output say compared to a type R .. was decent though nothing to brag about especially since its cost 50% more than a R my friend had 2 audiopipe TXX 15s he used to compete with in spl & he replaced them with 2 15 L4 which did exactly d same score even (maybe 0.1 more or less) with different tuning\boxes but it cost more than double with almost same results - power is 2) 1500 sundown amps strapped so with those 2 examples im not really that impressed with d brand , maybe i need to see\hear some more proving themselves but i just wasnt blown away d way ppl hype it up ...hope u get some good results in ur endeavors ... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12494 Registered: Jun-04 | Ill have to listen to my bro's lv4 's and see if it is weak in the lows. I know his lvl4 xl's seemed weak on the lows but one was damaged then. Bottom line ill take it slow. Thanks for your input. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15512 Registered: Jul-05 | no prob now that i remember too its L4 with L5 coils he has .... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12495 Registered: Jun-04 | Ill tell you this much they need more power than rated to get loud....3x the power rating or more for spl |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15513 Registered: Jul-05 | as u say that i now remember another guy i know who has 2 10s L4 , i dont know what coils in it but i think its normal ...his amp is a autotek 4000D & he did 146.xx which isnt bad for 2 10s .... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12499 Registered: Jun-04 | Yeah the subs are over built thats one thing i can say but having to put that much power to them isnt good....3x or more i mean....one audioque hdc 12 with 2 k would probably beat the lvl 4 10's |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12524 Registered: Jun-04 | Well guys I ordered my new sq subwoofer. An image dynamics idmax 12 dual 2 ohm and its brand new. Im all smiles. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15524 Registered: Jul-05 | u will be smiling ear to ear when u get it hooked up btw this past saturday terry floyd was here in my country http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=272386 check mine - done with stock alt ... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12550 Registered: Jun-04 | I cant find yours. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15525 Registered: Jul-05 | see under stock pro1 ... |
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Gold Member Username: Mrskullz1New York Post Number: 1258 Registered: Feb-07 | wow lotta indian names on that list |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15526 Registered: Jul-05 | yep biggest % of d population here in my country is of indian decent u wud be shocked to know there r alot of indians in south africa as well long story short : both countries had indentured labor imported from india centuries ago & some of d indians remained & propered ... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12560 Registered: Jun-04 | Good job there Rovin. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21330 Registered: Jun-06 | Lots of pizza going around lately. Good to see we got rid of sir William. Now his offspring Jose is next. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12568 Registered: Jun-04 | It seems like hes loosing interest. |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 3209 Registered: Oct-07 | sooo uhhhhhh wtf. |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, WI Post Number: 4175 Registered: Mar-07 | Jose is someone on this forum. I know who it is, but I'm not telling |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21358 Registered: Jun-06 | Fagola. |
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Silver Member Username: WickedbassNashville, Tn Post Number: 911 Registered: Jan-08 | I bet it's Snow. |
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123West Allis, WI Post Number: 3215 Registered: Oct-07 | |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15558 Registered: Jul-05 | built a 1 4" aeroport box to hold 1 12" image dynamics ID series sub for a guy who is gonna use it in his house , tuned 30hz , he is going to use a 300wrms plate amp on it man its silky SMOOTH ! - just like its bigger bro d idmax ..not as loud obviously but impressive for a rated 350wms sub will post up some pix later ... |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21394 Registered: Jun-06 | Covering the box or painting it? What kind of plate amp? Bash, Dayton? 300w was what I used on my first HT sub. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12621 Registered: Jun-04 | I bet it will make a very nice home theater subwoofer. I would have went sealed with a low fs sub like that though. Picking up those ultra low notes in some of those movies would be sweet. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15559 Registered: Jul-05 | i dont know what brand of amp he is going to use but i think he said he ordered it from parts express .... i c they carry only bash & dayton he said he is going to do a dark wood grain vinyl on it so i had to sand all d edges extra smooth just now i was playing around with d idmax in my wagon & on some ultra low notes songs like white girl i lowered d 50hz band on my deck & it sounds even more ultra smooth low , u wont really hear much standing out side but when u r in d front seat its a killer , i was feeling d hair on head moving ... |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15566 Registered: Jul-05 | in my country today its DIWALI day holiday - i c ur president actually knows about it & even had a event in d white house im thinking he probably never knew about it & 1 of his PR ppl told him .... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12633 Registered: Jun-04 | Rovin is your idmax sealed or ported? |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15567 Registered: Jul-05 | 1.5cuft sealed ... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12645 Registered: Jun-04 | Cool then sealed it is for me since the sq is so good that way. Im going 1.30 after displacements though. Do you know where i can buy a prefab 1.42 cf sealed box cheap? |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15568 Registered: Jul-05 | with a sealed box there is far less chance of ur bass having 'peaks & dips' ...u get a very smooth overall performance out of it even today i was demoing it to a guy who came for me to build him a 12" RF P3 & he was asking me whats its tune to without seeing it & when i said its sealed he couldnt believe me till i showed him d box i saw ID rec 1.3 for it but i guy i knew who is really heavily into SQ & had 1 told me do 1.5 so i didnt run any specs & took his word for it & im happy if u port it it cud cover ur front stage so i went sealed dont know where so u will really have to search online 4 that prefab ... |
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Diamond Member Username: BestmankindPost Number: 23531 Registered: Oct-05 | paul here's a pic you can use when u come across an idiot on this forum.  |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21496 Registered: Jun-06 | |
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Silver Member Username: WickedbassNashville, Tn Post Number: 977 Registered: Jan-08 | Guys, I have a drinking problem. I hate to admit it but I do. Im not going to rehab or anything major like that but I have to get this sorted out. I will be gone for a bit but will be back soon. Hope you all are doing well.(I truly do) I have come to a "moment of truth", I have to get my life back on track. My engineering degree is of the greatest importance at the moment. I will still check my email offten for those who have it. I will return. Wicked'  |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12713 Registered: Jun-04 | I wish you the best wicked. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15581 Registered: Jul-05 | ^x2 ...good luck man |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21503 Registered: Jun-06 | Do what you gotta do man. |
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Silver Member Username: WickedbassNashville, Tn Post Number: 978 Registered: Jan-08 | Hey guys, I typed my last post last night completely gone and didn't mean for it to seem so dramatic. Several things happened last night to make me see things in a different light. I have temporarily moved out of my apartment and am living with my uncle for a bit. My roomies don't party any more than the average college kid but I just don't want to be around it at all for a while. It sucks that instead of a 3 minute walk to campus it's going to be a 45 minute drive but it's for the best I think. My uncle only has dial up (this post is like an hour in the making, dial up ftl) and all the computer labs on campus won't load the E for some friggin' reason. That's what I meant when I said I might be gone for a bit, just fyi. I quit my 3rd shift job because that was not helping either situation at all. I WILL be back soon, I love E, kinda like my online home. All my best, Wicked' P.S. email is - the wicked bass @ gmail dot com The computer labs on campus will load gmail thankfully. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21508 Registered: Jun-06 | God's speed sir Wickedbass. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12742 Registered: Jun-04 | sounds like your taking some good steps wicked....congrads |
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Gold Member Username: Big_edge_headMilwaukee, WI Post Number: 4199 Registered: Mar-07 | Long time no posts. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12812 Registered: Jun-04 | Yeah I agree. Got a new indash unit with 7 inch screen and dvd playback 299.99 shipped great deal http://www.crutchfield.com/p_020VZ409/Clarion-VZ409.html?tp=20217 |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11651 Registered: Jul-06 | Well guys, I got bad news. Everyday its looking like I'm going to need to sell all of my stuff before I get the chance to use it. I could use the money right now and I don't see myself getting it all installed anytime soon so why not sell it. Keep it on the DL for right now since it's still up in the air but if any of you guys are interested in any of it, let me know and I'll cut you a special deal on it. Btw, sorry I've been absent from E lately. Working 30-40 hours a week and going to school full time blows Hope you all are doing well. |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11652 Registered: Jul-06 | Oh and Pauly, I did that trade cause you needed a good QB and he didn't play on my team so it was a good deal for each of us I think. I wouldn't have offered it if I didn't like it |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21537 Registered: Jun-06 | My team thanks you bud but it's far too late for it to make a difference this year lol. Sucks about your stuff. |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12830 Registered: Jun-04 | I hope you get to keep the stuff Yanks Fan. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15596 Registered: Jul-05 | ^x2 ... |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21552 Registered: Jun-06 | Yanks, seeing as I'm not a Philly fan I must say your guys are doing well against a defending champ team on their turf! Looks bleak for the Phillies.........  |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15604 Registered: Jul-05 | hey look james longo https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/600439.html ... |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11654 Registered: Jul-06 | I like the way things are shaping up right now Paul Its not over yet though which still scares me lol |
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Gold Member Username: Mrskullz1New York Post Number: 1276 Registered: Feb-07 | If yanks lose tonight, its only an act so they can take the cup at home town |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21554 Registered: Jun-06 | All I'll say is this. All weekend there were stands everywhere selling Phillies jerseys and t-shirts, hats and such outside of supermarkets, convenience stores and gas stations. Today? Not so much lol. |
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Platinum Member Username: James1115Use a simple... Post Number: 10724 Registered: Dec-04 | whats goin on boys!!!!!!!!!! Hey Sean where did you get a idmax new from? I have wanted one since 2005 lol! Hey Yanks you think its over tonight? I think AJ is gonna close it out!!!! |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21556 Registered: Jun-06 | Look what the cat drug in! |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12841 Registered: Jun-04 | Hi James. I bought my idmax off of ebay but they arent selling on there anymore. It cost me 365 shipped and its a v3 12. |
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Platinum Member Username: James1115Use a simple... Post Number: 10725 Registered: Dec-04 | I wish they started making them again! they were only supposed to take a little break but they never came back. Whats up Pauley my man? Rovin bro whats new kid? what have I missed in the last year lol |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15608 Registered: Jul-05 | sup james well nothing much except some spl accomplishments ... http://www.iasca.com/news/-2009-IdBL-Top-10-List- see stock pro 1 ... i didnt know they stopped making d idmax ? there have been rumors a while now saying a V4 wud be out but nobody really knows James i also own a idmax 12" which im running in a sealed box off a pdx 1000 sean did u install urs as yet ? .... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12843 Registered: Jun-04 | "sean did u install urs as yet ? ...." No its probably going to be a while |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11656 Registered: Jul-06 | Longo! Tonight's the night man. I know it. Pettite vs Pedro at Yankee Stadium. It'd only be appropriate if Andy got the win tonight and Pedro got the loss. Who's your daddy Pedro?! |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15610 Registered: Jul-05 | what da hell sean - whats d hold up i shud talk since i threw mine in a old dd box for 2-3wks b4 i built d correct box for it ...thing is i build boxes for ppl & took some time b4 i did my own ...  |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12844 Registered: Jun-04 | Well my bro is taking a vacation from installs and box building....probably because its cold |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15612 Registered: Jul-05 | DIY u lazy bum .... |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12847 Registered: Jun-04 | Well i tried using my bro's table saw and thats too dangerous for me with not keeping my balance very well. As for the rest I can do just about all of it but as of now i just got an electrical short in my steering column and I cant start my car. Yay for me....not |
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Platinum Member Username: InsearchofbassYork, Pennsylvania Post Number: 12848 Registered: Jun-04 | Electrical problem was just some wires that got exposed by accident. Problem solved. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21571 Registered: Jun-06 | Almost got screwed today on one of my inflatable bounce house rentals today. Been in contact via email over the past two weeks with a man needing two bounce houses for his son's B-day party today. Pending rain we were all set. I even knocked off $25 because he rented two of them and he was literally 2 minutes from me. Sweet. Arrive today and set them both up at 11:30am. His wife was the only one home and didn't know about the bounce houses. She was excited for her son. Her husband wasn't home at the time. No problem. I go over the safety issues with her and she signs the liability waiver and I'm off until 5pm when I come back to take them down and get paid. Sooooo I come back after the party, take both houses down and gather my things. Time to get $$. The wife looks at me stunned. Turns out she and her (ex) split up months ago and he never even showed up for his son's b-day party. He rented the bounce houses for his son's party but didn't tell his ex they were coming or give her any $$ to pay for them. Naturally she doesn't have a dime on her and asks if I'll take a CC. Paul gets nervous now. She's a hotty too and her cleavage is making it impossible to keep this predicament strictly business. So she's fighting with him on her cell telling him that he needs to come and pay me since he was the one who set it up, not her. Deadbeat didn't even show up for the party and she tells me his son didn't even ask about him. She hangs up on him and calls him back about 4 times before he finally agrees to come over. Naturally she says he's pissed and been drinking. Oh, and he's a state cop BTW and is coming over with a few of his friends. I guess 15 years ago I would have taken the loss, wished her luck and high tailed it out of there before the azz kicking crew got there. Something told me to hang my ground. Ppl will develop outlandish stories like this to scam ppl and I needed/deserved to get paid so I waited. Not 5 minutes goes by and sure enough he shows up with his friends and quickly pays me after apologizing for the delay. He didn't say two words to his ex or even walk in to wish his son a happy b-day before he sped off. Alls well that ends well right? At least the boy had a good party. Should have got her # though. WTF is up with some ppl? Hey thanks for reading lol. |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15619 Registered: Jul-05 | hey thats weird but at least u stood ur ground & got paid ..... & u got to look at some cleavage too for ur troubles ..... |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21573 Registered: Jun-06 | Ooohh yeah lol.  |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11665 Registered: Jul-06 | That's pretty wild Paul. Good thing you got paid for it man. If you don't mind me asking, how much do you charge for the use of it? |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21576 Registered: Jun-06 | I charge $65 for the bounce house and an extra $5 if they want the balls. Most do. So for $70 it's a great addition to any child's b-day party. I rented them two so normally it would have been $140 with the balls. Mind you pro party stores charge 2-3 times that. AND they don't include setup and delivery most times. It's no wonder ppl jump on my offer. They are a hell of an investment. Get your $$ back in like 3-4 rentals and the rest is all yours. Just gotta deal with crap like all that though from time to time^^^. Same with my tent rentals. It costs me about $200 to buy all the parts to build a 10 X 20 tent. I even rented a 20 X 20 a few times. Next year I'm raising my rental price to $50/day for each tent. Possibly higher because of the demand. Now think about this. I had over 40 tent rentals this past summer and I didn't get started until July. In three months I made over $2500 on the two tents I had. I bought one more recently for next year because I was tired of turning ppl down each weekend because all mine were rented. This coming year I'm starting in late April for the tents, through the winter for the bounce houses because they can be used indoors. The tents take about 30 minutes to set up and less time to take down. Bounce houses in like 5 lol. That's not chump change on the side. Add that to the moon bounce rentals and it's very nice/honest money. As long as you're semi mechanically inclined and don't mind dealing with a few weirdos/morons from time to time you just can't go wrong. I have my stories lol. You also have to be smart. You NEED a liability waiver and they MUST sign it EVERY time. If you don't have insurance and a kid breaks a bone on the moon bounce or a tent blows into a window you'll be in trouble. |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11666 Registered: Jul-06 | They are very interesting ideas Paul. Working where I work for weddings, I've come to figure out that not a whole lot of wedding venues have a standard dance floor and actually rent a dance floor from various places. They charge like $600+ per wedding! They cost about $1500-$2000 to buy one new so my buddy and I are gonna buy one together probably and charge my work and other wedding venues $400ish per wedding which includes install of the floor and removal next day. We have our money back and then some after 5 uses which could be 2-3 weekends of work. I dunno if you'd be interested in that but its an idea that I got from my boss at work who did it for a little bit and made a couple grand over the summer with it. Just gotta find the people to use it, you know? Luckily I have access to about every wedding venue in Northern VA lol. Just an idea I wanted to throw your way. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21579 Registered: Jun-06 | Sounds like that will work for ya Yanks. Me? I love weddings and don't think I'd ever get tired of being around them but the dance floor gig wouldn't fly for me I don't think. I have no storage left in my home or shed. I wouldn't know where to keep the pieces. All my tents and bounce houses fit in the back of my truck, which is nice. I tell everyone that the bounce house gig is the easiest $$. Sets up in 5-10 minutes, totes in a bag you can fit in a trunk, you're deemed the hero by every child you make eye contact with and you get to meet every milf inside of 8 zip codes of you. $70 for 20 minutes of work on top of all that? How can you go wrong lol???? |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21610 Registered: Jun-06 | Wow. Long time no post? Anyway, just to keep things moving along.......... Since the tent and moon bounce rentals are going to drop off the face of the planet for the next 5 months I'm thinking of something different for extra $$ around the holidays. Yanks listen up lol. I'm going to offer a Christmas tree delivery service. Every tree delivered gets a box of candy canes or gift bag for the kids. I'm thinking $15 over the cost of the tree for delivery. Candy canes/gift bags will cost $1 or so. I'm thinking there are many ppl out there who can't/don't want to trek out and get their own. To your door for $15 with candy canes? Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. I thought about playing Santa but I don't have a suit. Just for kicks I guess...... |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 152.5 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 15638 Registered: Jul-05 | sean whats d best score ur bro did with those 2 15s DC l4s & what power did he use ? ..... |
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13Northern VA Post Number: 11691 Registered: Jul-06 | $15 to deliver a tree? Sh1t. I know my dad and I would sign up for that ASAP lol. We always go out to the tree farm and search for hours but then when we find the special one, it sucks to haul back to the truck and load it up and take it home lol. Deliver in VA? Lmao. On another note, I get my blood tests back tomorrow and finally figure out what has been kicking my azz over the past 2 weeks. I've lost 10-15lbs in 2 weeks Keep your fingers crossed for me fellas. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21611 Registered: Jun-06 | Oh sh1t Yanks. Hope is all good bud! |
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Diamond Member Username: BestmankindPost Number: 23552 Registered: Oct-05 | sup guys. man those guys in the satellite section are a bit out there if you know what i mean. |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21615 Registered: Jun-06 | If the screw isn't loose it's missing. |
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Gold Member Username: Mrskullz1New York Post Number: 1281 Registered: Feb-07 | lol...but u can sure save a lot of money on tv from that section :D |
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Diamond Member Username: WingmanaliveWww.stainles... .ecrater.com Post Number: 21617 Registered: Jun-06 | You know I've been keeping an eye on that area for years and never paid attention on how to do what they're doing? I've had sat for going on 6 years now and been paying out the nose for it. How hard is it and what equipment is needed? |
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Silver Member Username: MagfanUSA Post Number: 848 Registered: Oct-07 | Most people make a ritual out of choosing there own tree. Or at least we did when we could still afford 'em. California Christmas tree costs have landed on the moon. I've been into wedding photography for years and it is a lot of fun. Meet new people and get paid for something I enjoy, anyway. |