Preamps Forum - ecoustics.com Forum - eCoustics.com https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/17.html Discussions about Preamps Forum - ecoustics.com en-us Tue, 05 Mar 2024 04:37:07 +0000 Need info on Analogue 520 preamplifier https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/1861.html Sun, 17 Sep 2023 20:26:44 +0000 Blue Book - Audio Research SP9 MKII https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/578760.html Thu, 28 Apr 2022 07:47:59 +0000 NAD C162 preamp quiescent noise level suddenly went up https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/733722.html Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:28:19 +0000 Comment connecter caisson bose acoustimass 15 sur un nad t 752 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/732685.html Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:33:25 +0000 Denon pma-11 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/730255.html Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:32:14 +0000 Sherwood S 6020CP https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/730254.html Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:56:40 +0000 Get Zone 2 working https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/729279.html Thu, 12 May 2016 14:03:44 +0000 Naim NAC 42 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/191535.html Fri, 08 Jan 2016 22:25:59 +0000 Onkyo tx-sr706 bummed out https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/721826.html Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:44:18 +0000 Kenwood kc-993 needing repairs https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/723524.html Mon, 26 Jan 2015 01:07:42 +0000 Pre amp and AVR connected to same 2 channel amp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/717833.html Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:04:25 +0000 Question about mixers for a microphone https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/696355.html Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:51:12 +0000 Another problem, please help https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/706207.html Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:56:59 +0000 Pre w/ HT Bypass https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/707469.html Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:05:47 +0000 New to pre amps need a suggestion for my hk pa 2400 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/711393.html Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:00:48 +0000 Looking for Preamp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/709277.html Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:48:59 +0000 Rookie needing help https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/704416.html Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:29:48 +0000 Use for an Old Creek Pre-amp & Amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/689650.html Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:51:26 +0000 Help with playing analogue through computer, pls... https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/689504.html Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:49:20 +0000 Job for a preamp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/688530.html Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:10:31 +0000 Need help with power amp/preamp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/688399.html Tue, 09 Aug 2011 17:55:56 +0000 LOOKING FOR GOODMANS 100C (OR 100) 1 SPEAKER https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/678430.html Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:51:42 +0000 ARISTON Q DECK https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/678429.html Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:49:13 +0000 SUMO Athena II preamp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/363508.html Fri, 03 Dec 2010 00:47:49 +0000 Any help appreciated https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/626963.html Tue, 02 Nov 2010 23:54:00 +0000 High End Pre Amp with Tone Controls? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/378766.html Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:05:26 +0000 Amp for Dynaudio Focus 110? Integrated or Pre/power? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/595848.html Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:09:09 +0000 Integra 80.1 zone 2 analog only question https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/641337.html Mon, 12 Jul 2010 00:12:51 +0000 Marantz 2216 as preamp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/630296.html Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:05:06 +0000 Got my speakers, amp, and cables...which pre-amp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/601771.html Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:44:02 +0000 Non-Rotel pre/pro to go with Rotel amp??? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/526254.html Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:59:19 +0000 Integra DHC 9.9 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/586171.html Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:41:13 +0000 Aragon Stage 1 or Rotel 1098? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/11072.html Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:38:54 +0000 Jan Vigne https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/591540.html Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:09:30 +0000 McIntosh C45 "Tone Bypass" mode question https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/576102.html Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:22:28 +0000 Marantz sr 6200 how to resetar marantz Mr. 6200? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/582859.html Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:13:06 +0000 nad 1700 tuner fm ant wire colors ! https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/581247.html Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:05:27 +0000 Acoustic Research SP9 Mk II https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/575594.html Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:42:43 +0000 Mc C45 v. 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Adcom gfp 750 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/550490.html Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:26:15 +0000 Synn tube preamp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/547468.html Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:58:57 +0000 Update: 'Under $300 Pre-amp' Solved. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/542884.html Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:31:19 +0000 Maximizing Your Preamp Performance https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/533018.html Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:43:15 +0000 Got my BP-20 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/528746.html Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:21:42 +0000 Pre-amp options https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/524849.html Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:19:02 +0000 Does this look confusing? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/521160.html Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:56:22 +0000 Classe CP-35 or DR5 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/523086.html Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:16:39 +0000 Orientation to preamp controls https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/519167.html Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:24:14 +0000 More Sacrilege https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/503172.html Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:47:48 +0000 Bryston SP1.7 Pre/Pro https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/503186.html Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:07:50 +0000 Help me stop the buzzing pre-amp! https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/508307.html Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:47:19 +0000 Pre-amps vs. power amps? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/508053.html Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:48:44 +0000 Do I need a pre-amp for the following system? (using slimdevices tr... https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/505474.html Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:46:08 +0000 Maybe this one https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/499784.html Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:44:42 +0000 What is a pre-amp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/150740.html Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:45:35 +0000 Mcintosh C504 Main out https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/499457.html Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:30:42 +0000 Converting Car audio to home audio https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/108237.html Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:40:46 +0000 Cambridge Audio 840E https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/486517.html Wed, 21 May 2008 20:12:38 +0000 McIntosh or Bryston https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/471207.html Wed, 21 May 2008 00:36:51 +0000 Belles v. McIntosh preamps https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/485002.html Fri, 16 May 2008 14:07:42 +0000 NAD T163 Intermittent Video output failure https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/430083.html Sat, 03 May 2008 15:33:41 +0000 Integrated amp with a pre amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/459654.html Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:33:33 +0000 Integrated amp with a pre amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/459670.html Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:21:48 +0000 B & K reference 30 versus 50 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/441575.html Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:21:29 +0000 Help with Phono Stage Options https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/453170.html Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:49:47 +0000 NAD T163 NO OSD https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/177302.html Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:07:28 +0000 Connecting voice transformer/vocoder to pc https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/444446.html Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:44:26 +0000 Would I benefit from a pre-amp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/429651.html Fri, 04 Jan 2008 01:10:21 +0000 The Vincent SA-T1 Bares It All ............ https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/408624.html Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:07:13 +0000 Pre-Amps https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/299198.html Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:09:31 +0000 NAD 1020 RCA Jacks broke https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/404582.html Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:29:19 +0000 Why pre & power amp should not be switched off? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/404387.html Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:49:52 +0000 NAD 3020i RCA Jacks broke https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/404580.html Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:57:46 +0000 Why pre & power amp should not be switched off? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/404385.html Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:02:27 +0000 Pre-amp under $300 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/343130.html Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:41:24 +0000 Bass Management? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/399920.html Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:49:16 +0000 BOSE 4401 pre amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/397632.html Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:37:48 +0000 Outlaw 990 vs Anthem Pre/Pro https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/298366.html Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:08:41 +0000 NAD C162 preamp vs T752 receiver https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/395947.html Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:57:40 +0000 Did my ADCOM GTP 500 MK II just die? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/396033.html Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:35:46 +0000 Unpowered Subwoofer pre-amping help https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/390814.html Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:59:59 +0000 Outlaw 990 & 970 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/388191.html Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:14:46 +0000 COnfused about a Pre-Amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/388411.html Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:52:25 +0000 Is there a big difference in Preamps? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/375508.html Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:11:15 +0000 Passive Pre Amps https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/380775.html Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:19:38 +0000 Ariston Q Deck tonearm ??? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/370816.html Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:33:18 +0000 Help! Which Preamp to choose? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/362786.html Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:17:19 +0000 NuForce pe amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/358827.html Tue, 29 May 2007 17:55:07 +0000 Got my NAD C162! https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/355616.html Wed, 23 May 2007 23:51:01 +0000 Balanced cables for mcintosh mx 119 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/354937.html Thu, 17 May 2007 09:54:31 +0000 Mcintosh mx 120 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/352221.html Sat, 05 May 2007 16:33:13 +0000 Dayton Wright Problems https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/338525.html Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:00:40 +0000 Home Audio and Home Theater Systems https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/338491.html Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:20:56 +0000 Parasound Halo C2 owners - Help https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/337845.html Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:00:42 +0000 'Home Theater' Bypass Feature? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/333373.html Fri, 09 Mar 2007 03:49:06 +0000 Silly pre amp question of the month https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/324965.html Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:46:41 +0000 Preamp Brand to look at https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/308472.html Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:46:41 +0000 I want a processor or receiver with pre-outs. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/285067.html Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:30:48 +0000 Dolby DP 564 consumer professional https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/306043.html Mon, 25 Dec 2006 06:41:51 +0000 B&k ref 50 latest upgrade software 2.03 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/303182.html Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:09:27 +0000 Arcam av9 vs Anthem avm 50 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/266670.html Sat, 09 Dec 2006 16:39:50 +0000 Nad Phono PreamplifierBye. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/111426.html Fri, 08 Dec 2006 17:02:15 +0000 New Lehman https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/280976.html Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:38:02 +0000 Rotel vs NAD separates https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/141330.html Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:22:31 +0000 Building a "Vintage" System..... Help Needed https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/271104.html Wed, 20 Sep 2006 02:45:27 +0000 Adcom GTP500 and GTP500 MkII https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/270860.html Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:07:43 +0000 Multi Output Preamp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/265145.html Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:34:55 +0000 Pre-amp advice https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/257217.html Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:10:34 +0000 Preamp for rega p3 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/251340.html Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:36:29 +0000 Dbx 200 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/260535.html Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:43:50 +0000 Pre-Amp connection with sound card for MP3 Playback. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/257367.html Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:28:48 +0000 NAD-Rotel-Kinergetics https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/218202.html Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:14:39 +0000 Arcam avp700 vs rotel 1068? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/211381.html Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:16:00 +0000 Do I need a preamp with a receiver with a phono input? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/76468.html Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:37:03 +0000 Hafler dh-101 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/245229.html Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:42:29 +0000 Preamp with analog to digital upconverting? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/242485.html Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:43:16 +0000 Marantz AV600 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/232840.html Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:55:36 +0000 Sherwood Newcastle P-965 preamp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/230115.html Tue, 30 May 2006 23:23:35 +0000 Boston Acoustics AVP7 suggestion, anyone? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/227803.html Wed, 24 May 2006 23:05:25 +0000 Integrated receiver or pre amp &amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/212981.html Tue, 23 May 2006 15:37:29 +0000 Which Pre Amp-preAmp tuner would you recomend https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/222915.html Sun, 07 May 2006 21:13:30 +0000 Looking for new Pre-Amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/218204.html Mon, 01 May 2006 22:23:27 +0000 Outlaw 970 pre/pro https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/194747.html Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:49:26 +0000 Harman Kardon AVR 335 as preamp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/218406.html Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:48:52 +0000 Ignorant question https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/188642.html Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:15:50 +0000 ANTHEM AVM30 VS NAD M15 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/187741.html Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:19:15 +0000 Need Marantz AV 550/RC 2000MKII Manual https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/467.html Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:15:13 +0000 Pairing NAD, Rotel with Adcom power amp? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/187430.html Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:01:13 +0000 Any 4ohm to 8ohm converters?? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/183571.html Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:24:58 +0000 Changing tubes to convergent Ultimate MK1 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/210112.html Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:44:27 +0000 Need Help with Connecting Receiver, Pre-Amp, Speaker Selector https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/12470.html Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:03:35 +0000 Need Help with a Harman Kardon PA-4000 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/126868.html Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:06:01 +0000 Help starting out https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/162459.html Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:05:13 +0000 Passive pre-amps... https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/115465.html Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:04:20 +0000 What does it do https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/175214.html Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:03:14 +0000 Preamp for the iPod? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/174783.html Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:02:38 +0000 Pre-pro with digital outputs https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/195117.html Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:43:34 +0000 Fixing a Mac C24.... https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/194666.html Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:15:18 +0000 Adcom GFP 1A repair https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/167914.html Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:35:25 +0000 Pre Question (arcam) https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/189813.html Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:50:32 +0000 Pre and Amp https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/188258.html Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:38:36 +0000 Can i connect a pre-amp to an integrated? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/181970.html Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:56:13 +0000 Lexicon MC8 "Diagnostic Tests" problem https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/186543.html Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:15:10 +0000 McIntosh C28 Repair Advice Sought https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/183852.html Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:05:23 +0000 Separates vs. Arcam AVR-250? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/139186.html Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:35:04 +0000 Pre-amp to increase ohm capacity for a 8 ohm receiver? https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/17643.html Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:19:15 +0000 Two channel music Preamp upgrade. https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/179545.html Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:03:11 +0000 Nad / Rotel combo https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/150985.html Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:56:01 +0000 Archive through November 28, 2005 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-audio/499785.html Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:18:03 +0000