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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2665 Registered: Jun-06 | Lookin for a nice 15 to run on about 1000 - 1200 rms. lookin at the Fi Bl but was curious if anything better was out there? |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 537 Registered: May-09 | The better sub depends on the space you have and the type of sound you are after, for example the BL is a SPL type of sub. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2666 Registered: Jun-06 | i know this already... Has anyone heard the BL and The IA Death penalty that could give me a good idea which one is better? |
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Gold Member Username: Livin_loudMW2 Addict Post Number: 3567 Registered: Jan-06 | i would buy fi over ia personally. haven't heard those subs though, sorry. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 542 Registered: May-09 | I have heard of them it's straight SPL stuff, I found this guy reviewing it: http://www.caraudio.com/forums/subwoofer-speaker-reviews/42436-incriminator-audi o-death-penalty-12-review.html If you just want loud at any cost you have this and many other options. Fi is better stuff probably a BTL N312 and it will be still cheaper. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2667 Registered: Jun-06 | after doin some research i found that for an extra 100 bucks i can get a 15" Xcon with a sundown SAZ1500D. how would that compare to an Fi Q on an AQ 1200D? |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 553 Registered: May-09 | The 15" XCON on a SAZ1500D will be hell louder, the 1500D can near the 1750RMS rating of the XCON and the XCON has almost 3 dB Senitivity over the Q, the AQ will optimistically near 1400. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2668 Registered: Jun-06 | anyone personally hear these that can through in a comparison? |
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Gold Member Username: SomedonniedudeIllinois Braaap MX Post Number: 3221 Registered: May-07 | dont expect any more than 1200w out of the AQ, still a good amp tho for the money. |
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Bronze Member Username: John253aAust. Post Number: 89 Registered: May-11 | Fi btl n318 on the 1500d In a 4cuft ported Is my choise Just some food for though |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2669 Registered: Jun-06 | what forum is everyone on now days cause this one obviously has gone way down hill from when i used to be on here |
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Platinum Member Username: GlasswolfColumbia, South Carolina Post Number: 14555 Registered: Dec-03 | No there really aren't any "better" subs per se than an Fi. All Fi subs are hand built to order using some of the latest motor structure designs and high quality parts. You just don't do better than that. You might find something slightly louder which is more an issue of sensitivity than build quality. Look at the Fi SSD subs, too. Not solely SPL oriented, but a good all around workhorse of a sub for daily use. |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 567 Registered: May-09 | You got it a.k.a. "J" but on the other hand it will be very hard to find in any forum someone that has heard those two specific configurations, and even then installation has such a big role on performance that opinions may not be that useful. I guess I like Fi better so what, One thing that may be useful to you is that the XCONs work on bigger boxes tuned lower, if you don't have the space to have it working as intended better go other way. Regarding the amps the Sundown takes enough energy to force you to upgrade electrical so if you don't want to bother the AQ power rating in some cars will fit stock electrical. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2670 Registered: Jun-06 | Is the fi Q really worth 100 more then the ssd? how big of a difference will there be ? |
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Platinum Member Username: Rovin1 15 = 153 DBs ...Trinidad & T... Post Number: 17059 Registered: Jul-05 | that IA Death penalty "review" is very misleading , IA says they do not rec those in a sealed box yet thats what he did , then he tested it in 3.5 cuft box tuned to 45hz , who tunes any musical tuned enclosure that high but he was really testing spl then gave a review based on how it sounded in those conditions IA is not a "strictly spl" sub , i currently own a IA 10" 187 model & for a 300wrms sub it plays anything u throw at it whether it be high notes or low notes , i have mine tuned 28hz : the output & sq is amazing , its sounds louder than the 12" idmax i had in a sealed box b4 have heard their SQ model flatline & that sub has scored very high for sq comps , also heard their DP & DR , the output from IA subs is what makes them stand out & they sound great too do a search on youtube & u will see alot of ppl are using IA now ... |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 612 Registered: May-09 | It all depends on your taste and available space, SSA is deeper bass and big box, Both are SQ subs and I don't think you will be let down by any of them, they are comparable products.. you will find opinions in favor of both. If you care about SQ you should pick a sub that optimizes in a box you can fit so you get a flat frequency response, low group delay as possible. Also a properly designed and damped box reduces resonances that can hurt SQ. Now regarding the money you should factor in that a smaller enclosure is cheaper so the effective price difference is less than you may think. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2671 Registered: Jun-06 | Well i can do about 4 cubes so i have enough room to fit eiter the Q or the ssd. i listen to a lot of gucci and i just want to be able to slam the lows |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 616 Registered: May-09 | I reviewed data for both, they optimize as follows: SSA XCON 15": 2.813cuft@28.65Hz F3=33.86Hz pe=1750W Fi Q 15": 2.598cuft@29.38Hz F3=32.1Hz pe=1500W They seem almost as the same driver with a little more power on the SSA. Now I remember that the data I was talking about was for the SSA ICON, take a look at this interesting thread for a nice discussion and some other options: https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/car-audio/501468.html |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2672 Registered: Jun-06 | It just seems like 2.5 cubes is way to small for a ported box dfor a 15 |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 617 Registered: May-09 | Yes BBP6 aligns a bit tight but If you rework both subs at 4 cuft@28Hz: SSA XCON 15": F3=29.2Hz Fi Q 15": F3=28.93Hz Better bottom end but not as linear. Again both behave very much the same, on measured data the Fi probably will be better but not by far. I wouldn't be concerned, if you get the wrong component set that can ruin SQ far worse. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2673 Registered: Jun-06 | so what is the ssd about? is it more of an sql sub compared to the q? |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 622 Registered: May-09 | No, those two are both SQL subs, the SSA will have a little more than 1dB advantage over the Fi which is very little, the Fi will have a little better SQ over the SSA. Think of them as equivalent parts for all practical matters, in this cases a perfectly designed box and solid amplification will determine the quality of the end result. But if no analytical data or opinions can make you confident then buy both and test them in every possible way, and really sometimes that's the only way. And then there are many options to look at besides those two. |
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Gold Member Username: Crayola0Portage, Wisconsin Post Number: 2674 Registered: Jun-06 | no im talking about the Fi SSD not SSA lol |
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Silver Member Username: Joe1234Post Number: 628 Registered: May-09 | Sorry, lol, busy at the time, the SSD is less power, cheaper, a somewhat downgraded Q it seems, it probably falls under the SQL category also. I would gladly pay the little extra for the Q. They are very open about their differences: https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraudio.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=154e9256da4f1c7/s hopdata/0050_Speakers/product_overview.shopscript The ones that are heavily different from the Q are the BTL N3 clearly for SPL, audible region limited (high Fs) and very high sensitivity, High BL of course and 3KW. |