ok, there was this guy who was selling a shocker sub, but he wants cash. So i don't want to risk getting ripped off. My Bdays tomarrow, so i think i'll order a sub. I am set on a Pierce audio wmd 15", and i can get it for $175. They have auctions off ebay and thats how much they go for. I don't think that price is beatable for a sub like that. So i am going to get it. Ill let you guys know how it sounds. And i'll build another really cool box. Hopefully better than my last.