Solo baric l7 12 or a w7 12

 

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Username: 1_kicker_fan

Lipan, Texas America

Post Number: 2
Registered: Mar-04
What do yall guys think will hit the hardest, play the loudest, highest spl, and has the best thump
 

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Username: Its_bacon12

Post Number: 322
Registered: Dec-03
1 on 1 definately the w7 with SQ, SPL and effeciency...

500w rms is all you need for a 12w7
750w rms is what u need for a S12L7

the w7 puts out higher xmax, works in small sealed boxes (so does L7) and both work in large ported

xmax - 12w7 = 28mm 1 way - 500w rms - 113 square inches
12L7 = 13mm 1 way - 750w rms - 144 square inches

sure the w7 costs more but its well worth it in the eyes of an audiophile...not a very good comparison one on one even if it has the added little bit of surface area
 

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Username: Its_bacon12

Post Number: 323
Registered: Dec-03
sorry type - 29mm 1 way xmax for 12w7

and you guys do the math more than 2x cone travel for 33% less power
 

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Username: Dan3

Post Number: 34
Registered: Feb-04
Bacon, you do the math, go to the "SQ and SPL difference in a 12L7 and 12L5????" thread so you can finally learn something...there alot of peeps that are trying to teach you over there(not including myself).
 

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Username: Its_bacon12

Post Number: 330
Registered: Dec-03
yes i read it dan...and now im saying

a 12w7 vs S12L7

ONE woofer vs ONE woofer

the w7 is definately a superior sub in all aspects compared to ONE S12L7
 

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Username: Dan3

Post Number: 35
Registered: Feb-04
yes it is
 

Tim L.
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for the record, i agree.. =P
 

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Username: Its_bacon12

Post Number: 334
Registered: Dec-03
ok i thought you were stating otherwise....anywez, if you're going to get just one, the 12w7 would be the choice, but onyl if you're willing to spend some money
 

Tim L.
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THE MATH

GEOMETRY and LINEAR EQUATIONS

when talking about surface area comparisons, for those who don't know, i'd like to contribute that MOST 12" high excursion drivers only have 10" of cone area due to their wide surrounds..

this typically means

12" high excursion = 78.5 in.^2
12" L7 = 144 in.^2

the exception bein the W7 with it's overroll surround design.. allowing a wide roll surround with more excursion and the piston area of a smaller roll sub..

but not by MUCH

W7 = 84 in.^2
L7 = 144 in.^2

with 71% MORE cone surface area, "To overcome this loss, the fat-surround woofer has to produce more excursion to displace the same air as the 12W3v2 (and will require more power to do so). " - JL AUDIO

one needs MORE energy to move that BIG, HEAVY magnet to get that NECESSARY HIGH EXCURSION to make sound.. makes sense, right? in simple analogy english, it's like a bigger brother vs. a smaller brother in a fight.. the younger smaller brother has to hit as hard as he can to do anything and his older bro barely has to swing to kick his as.. =P

so, bacon, your EQUATION ABOVE IS BACKWARDS..

also, a 12w7 is 750 wrms, like the S12L7, NOT 500, and those are thermal ratings, not necessary requirements for this or that..

ALL CLEAR?? you're DISMISSED.. =P
 

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Username: Dan3

Post Number: 36
Registered: Feb-04
Bacon will never understand that his "xmax is so great on the JL" thing is great and all, but nothing to brag about.
 

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Username: Glasswolf

NorthWest, Michigan USA

Post Number: 1605
Registered: Dec-03
"one needs MORE energy to move that BIG, HEAVY magnet to get that NECESSARY HIGH EXCURSION to make sound."

the magnet is stationary. the coil and cone are what actually move. The power required is to charge the magnetic field, and move the mass of the cone itself.

peak power isn't always required for a sub to reach it's mechanical Xmax. The fact still remains however, that the 12W7 is still a better sub than the S12L7. Better design, better made, better sounding.
You're not going to encounter things like cone distortion as readily with a round sub, regardless of displacement by surface area and excursion.

having literally twice the excursion, would require quite a substantial difference in surface area to compensate for the difference, and you can't simply subtract the entire surround as negated space when figuring out how much air is really moved.
the surround moves as much as he cone itself, still moving air, so there's a fudge factor in there you need to consider.
 

Tim L.
Unregistered guest
sorry, wasn't thinkin straight.. had to go..

don't you typically account for half the surround as the cone surface?
 

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Username: 1_kicker_fan

Lipan, Texas America

Post Number: 8
Registered: Mar-04
think yall for the help.
 

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Username: Fcr96max

MESQUITE, TEXAS USA

Post Number: 2
Registered: Mar-04
I DONT KNOW IF IM TOO LATE BUT THE W7 WILL DO
U JUST FINE MAN THA B ITCH WILL POUND!
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