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New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 1
Registered: Oct-06
Hey, Im new to Car Audio... Yesterday I went to Brandsmart U.S.A. looking for some subs. I stumbled upon the JBL gt4-12 subs. I saw 1000 Watts.. Im like wow.. that must bump hard..

Now I returned to brandsmart today to look for the cables I need to install the subs, and I asked what cables do i need? The dude asked me how big is the amp and which subs? Im like those subs.. and I want to buy like a 2000 watt 2-way amp.. since what I thought was 2000/2= 1000 watt for each sub.

He told me each sub had 250 R.M.S. , this is what I don't understand. What is R.M.S. and what is the total watt I could go with it? Can someone explain how this works.. and which is the best amp (Meaning loudest without blowing them) that would go with these subs?
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 2
Registered: Oct-06
Here are the specs.. Just in case

* 12" 1000W peak subwoofer
* Power Handling, RMS: 250 Watts
* Power Handling, Peak: 1000 Watts
* Frequency Response (±3dB): 28Hz - 450Hz
* Sensitivity: 93dB
* Mounting Depth: 6-1/4"
* Cut-Out Diameter: 11-1/8"
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2086
Registered: Feb-06
in car audio you never go by peak power, always RMS. your subs are 25O rms each, you need and amp that will do 5OO rms. what is the voice coil config on your subs?
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 3
Registered: Oct-06
Damn where do I find that? I'll google it if anything.
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2087
Registered: Feb-06
and more watts does not equal louder.
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 4
Registered: Oct-06
My question is what's the best amp for this? When I see amps on ebay.. all I see is like 1000 watts, 1500 watts and such.
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2088
Registered: Feb-06
are they single voice coil or dual voice coil.
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 5
Registered: Oct-06
I have somewhere a Sony Xploid 600 Watt Amp.. Is that what I need 600/2= 300 Wat Each Sub?
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2089
Registered: Feb-06
whats your budget for an amp?
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 6
Registered: Oct-06
There single from what Im reading threw google.
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 7
Registered: Oct-06
100-150 Bucks? Give me a budget one.. then the best.
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2090
Registered: Feb-06
ok, im assumeing they are single voice coil 4 ohm. so you need an amp that does aroud 5OO RMS at 2ohm.
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 8
Registered: Oct-06
Which is the best..? You guys recommend them for me.
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2091
Registered: Feb-06
you could look on ebay for one of these...
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=474
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 9
Registered: Oct-06
Do I need a 2 channel or Mono like that one?
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2092
Registered: Feb-06
i doesnt madder, if you get a mono, you will wire them like this...Upload
if i was you i would get this...it is perfect for you.http://cgi.ebay.com/PHOENIX-GOLD-XENON-X400-1-400W-MONOBLOCK-AMPLIFIER-NEW_W0QQitemZ140045629818QQihZ004QQcategoryZ18797QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140045629818
 

New member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 10
Registered: Oct-06
I saw this.. Is this any good?
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15861
 

Bronze Member
Username: Motomattic3

Post Number: 61
Registered: Oct-06
RMS= root means square Geez. lol

no but about "loadness" its senstiviy+10log(rms watts) and that will give you db. its not exact but it gives you an idea like a jl 12w6v2 for example its sensitivity is 85.9 and the rms watts is 400 so 85.9+10log(400)= 111.92
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 11
Registered: Oct-06
Aight.. Imma get it on my next paycheck.
Question.. what kind of wattage am I really getting from those subs?
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3090
Registered: Sep-05
you need to tell us if it has 1 voice coil or 2, it is where the wires run into the sub.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 12
Registered: Oct-06
So.. let me ask another question.. are these subs gonna bump hard? Like be heard outside the car.. a good clean bass?
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2094
Registered: Feb-06
that amp is not very good.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 13
Registered: Oct-06
It's one voice coil for each one. I bought two of them.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3091
Registered: Sep-05
if that is a single 4ohm then a 2 ohm mono amp, if those are dual 4 ohm subs, get a mono 1 ohm or a 2 channel amp. do not buy a 2 channel amp for 2 single 4 ohm speakers.
 

Gold Member
Username: Juliob

Santo DomingoDominican Re...

Post Number: 3170
Registered: Dec-05
Ramses, they will sound clean and of course you're going to hear it outside the car, only if you're not deaf lol!

I think your budget is kinda low, so my best suggestion for you would be audiobahn a8000T.

Ramses, since you have interest for car audio, start reading from these three sites

www.bcae1.com
www.wickedcases.com (useful site from glasswolf)

And this in case you have some doubts about wiring subs.

www.the12volt.com


Ramses, do you know how to build boxes?? i hope you're not planning to buy those crappy boxes...

Talk to Wahl or one of these guys who knows about boxes, if i were you i'd talk to bassman3
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3094
Registered: Sep-05
then the audiobahn 8000t would be a good amp, and rather cheap on ebay...
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 14
Registered: Oct-06
Well I already bought the box.. cost me 40.00 I'll post a pic in a few..
 

Gold Member
Username: Juliob

Santo DomingoDominican Re...

Post Number: 3172
Registered: Dec-05
is the box sealed or ported? what's the tuning frequency?? many factors....

those subs will sound better sealed, but depends what kind of music do you like and how do you like the bass....

Do you like tight bass?
OR
do you like boomy bass??
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 15
Registered: Oct-06
Well I listen to Hip Hop Mostly.. I just like the bass to be loud so like people could know what your hearing outside. Make people turn heads you know?

That's the box.
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8111/hpim0239xk1.jpg
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3097
Registered: Sep-05
box is fine, but remember your only going to get so much out of it and also what type of car it is going in, a suv would sound better then in a trunk...
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 16
Registered: Oct-06
Yeah I own a toyota 4runner sr5. I just want it to bump outside and sound good.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 18
Registered: Oct-06
So which amp would be better? the auditobahn 8000t or the audiobahn a8000t?
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2114
Registered: Feb-06
they are the same amp, someone just forgot the a.lol
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2115
Registered: Feb-06
didnt bring up my post.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 19
Registered: Oct-06
Since I'm most likely gonna win the bid for the amp, which wiring kit do I need to hook it up?
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3103
Registered: Sep-05
4 guage is fine
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 20
Registered: Oct-06
Can you direct me to like a link to buy it.. remember I'm really new to all of this..
 

Silver Member
Username: Bernymac

AQ HD3!!, CA United States

Post Number: 712
Registered: Sep-04
ty mutlow said 4gauge. If you don't mind using ebay. look up stinger amp kit, with the 4gauge wiring. Since your new a amp kit is best. Remember Stinger. If your having problems just say so and I'll try looking it up.
 

Silver Member
Username: Bernymac

AQ HD3!!, CA United States

Post Number: 713
Registered: Sep-04
140045952551

thats the item number for a stinger 4gauge amp kit. its 62 bucks/free shipping. Might find lower so do some shopping.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 21
Registered: Oct-06
Im having problems man.. I would appreciate if you found a link for me for it.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 22
Registered: Oct-06
I see it on ebay now.. does monster cable make anygood wiring kits? Because when I go anywhere that's all I see.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 23
Registered: Oct-06
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem%26item%3D140039979747&ssPageName=M ERC_VI_ReBay_Pr12_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=140045952551&itemcount=12&refwidgetl oc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CategoryProximity&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widge t#ebayphotohosting

wouldent this work?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 24
Registered: Oct-06
Or this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/PHONICS-4-GAUGE-1800W-AMPLIFIER-AMP-KIT-SPEAKER-WIRING_W0QQi temZ120044332151QQihZ002QQcategoryZ71528QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 25
Registered: Oct-06
So the Audiobahn A8000t Can power both of my JBL's gt4-12 ? What wattage am I going to get per sub?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 26
Registered: Oct-06
Bump
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2125
Registered: Feb-06
monster is good.
 

Gold Member
Username: Logan__tille

AudioqueUSA

Post Number: 2126
Registered: Feb-06
yea, it will power both of your subs. they will each be getting around 4OO watts RMS.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 29
Registered: Oct-06
Logan.. can you direct me to a good wiring kit cheaper than the ones someone suggested? Like in the 40 dollar range?
 

Gold Member
Username: Ctmike

Ct.

Post Number: 2182
Registered: Feb-06
$25.99:
http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=eKo-K4
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 30
Registered: Oct-06
Hey Logan or Ctmike... someone outbidded me on the audiobahn.. searched and found this..? Same performance I'm getting from the audiobahn? What's the diff.

Keep in mind my subs are 250 RMS each with 1000 Peak Each one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PIONEER-GM-7150M-MONO-CHANNEL-CH-AMPLIFIER-1CH-AMP_W0QQi temZ170043280618QQihZ007QQcategoryZ18797QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3106
Registered: Sep-05
the audiobahn is better, try item number 220040083469 it is 157 delivered and the pioneer is about 107 delivered.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 31
Registered: Oct-06
Ty.. can you tell me why it's better? More watt.. or why just better reliability?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 32
Registered: Oct-06
Question.. why can't I get something like this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pyramid-PB1212X-1600W-2-1-Channel-Car-Audio-Amp-NEW_W0QQitem Z220042141580QQihZ012QQcategoryZ109254QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 33
Registered: Oct-06
Nevermind that question.. I figured it out myself ^^ But why is the audiobahn better or not equal to the pioneer?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 34
Registered: Oct-06
This one 800Watt RMS

http://cgi.ebay.com/LANZAR-800-WATT-RMS-1000w-MAX-CAR-STEREO-AMPLIFIER-AMP_W0QQi temZ270046287500QQihZ017QQcategoryZ18796QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This one good?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 35
Registered: Oct-06
I submitted a best offer for this amp

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBOFF%3A IT&viewitem=%26item%3D330042727850%26%26

Sounds good, at a decent price.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3113
Registered: Sep-05
2nd link did not work and the lanzar is a 2 channel, wont work bridged mode for those subs unless you run stereo mode. remember 1 thing you get exactly what you pay for.the audiobahn is just a little better quality then those others.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 36
Registered: Oct-06
Try this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBOFF%3A IT&viewitem=%26item%3D330042727850%26%26
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 37
Registered: Oct-06
The item number on ebay is:330042727850
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 397
Registered: Jun-06
here is a very nice amp for cheap as you will find and awesome quality. I would get it before someone else does.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Memphis-16-ST500D-500W-Class-D-amplifier_W0QQitemZ3200431319 87QQihZ011QQcategoryZ18796QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

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Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 398
Registered: Jun-06
this will do well too. http://cgi.ebay.com/KICKER-KX400-1-MONO-AMPLIFIER-400-WATTS-BEST-DEAL_W0QQitemZ1 80045151449QQihZ008QQcategoryZ79829QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 38
Registered: Oct-06
Those are out of my price range right now.. how bout the last one I posted?
The item number on ebay is:330042727850
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 400
Registered: Jun-06
no no no. Trust me you wont see over 100 watts out of that thing. I was fooled when I first got into car audio and bought one of those and my god it was the worst decision ever. so what is your price range???

you can get this. it says 800 @ 2ohms but its rated for 17volts so you will prolly get right around 500 out of it. only 102 bucks

http://cgi.ebay.com/MA-AUDIO-M1889I-800w-MONO-BLOCK-CAR-AMPLIFIER-POWER-AMP_W0QQ itemZ270048429755QQihZ017QQcategoryZ18797QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 39
Registered: Oct-06
80 Bucks shipped is my limit. I'm dying to install it in my car, Im gonna try that amp... if it don't do well, I'll save up for a better one. But I need one to start out. Not only that I have to buy the wiring kit, and pay for the installation.

Yes I know I could do the installation myself, but for my car I have to remove all the panels.. and I dont wanna mess up anything and then have to pay my parents back for it. I rather take it to a pro, that way they mess it up..they pay.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 40
Registered: Oct-06
Forget about the brandname.. is the wattage it's pumping out compatible for my 2 subs?

I tell you this because my friends have systems.. and there flea market/No name brands.. and they still thump hard.. I Dont want to hear the needle hitting the floor.. I just want to hear every beat bump hard in the back. Thats it.
 

Gold Member
Username: Tjmutlow

Post Number: 3119
Registered: Sep-05
then maybe you need to go to the flea market, or cash converters, but you can try item numbers 300042992929, or 300043965309, better then that cuspid amp....
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 41
Registered: Oct-06
Just read reviews on it.. screw it.. I gave him my best offer if he accpets It.. I wont pay it. Imma just end up buying the Audiobahn next week.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 42
Registered: Oct-06
Which one of the last 2 is the best one? Those are perfect for me in my price range. Are they good quality?
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 401
Registered: Jun-06
dude seriously you are better off saving another 15 and getting the MA. honestly save and do it right the first time. those boss amps wont do much.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 43
Registered: Oct-06
The MA.. is the best quality?
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 402
Registered: Jun-06
compared to the others yes.......it will put out the most watts for the money also.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 44
Registered: Oct-06
aight I'll probably cop the Ma you showed me on friday..
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 45
Registered: Oct-06
Trevor thanks alot just purchased the amp. Now the wiring kit..
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 403
Registered: Jun-06
alright an amp kit..... lets see here. how much you got to spend on it?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 46
Registered: Oct-06
Let's say 30 bucks shipped?
 

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Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 404
Registered: Jun-06
http://cgi.ebay.com/MDX-4-GAUGE-CAR-AUDIO-AMPLIFIER-SUBWOOFER-INSTALL-KIT_W0QQit emZ170044971808QQihZ007QQcategoryZ71528QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

that should do.anything else you need????
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 47
Registered: Oct-06
Trevor.. can you show me just like picture of how there gonna wire it? Is it gonna be bridged or how? Remember I have 2 subs. Just show me a diagram of how it's gonna be done.
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 428
Registered: Jun-06
the top one is how you should wire it.....

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs =2&impedance=SVC4

any other questions, just shoot away.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 48
Registered: Oct-06
Trevor I think my subs are single voice coil.
 

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Username: Tdawg30

Ohio USA

Post Number: 434
Registered: Jun-06
whoops I clicked on the wrong thing.......here you go....

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/learningcenter/car/subwoofers_wiring.html?subs =2&impedance=SVC4
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 49
Registered: Oct-06
I also forgot to mention that I'm connected all of this to a stock stereo. My stock stereo is a JBL Head Unit and bumps hard. Do I need anything else?
 

Gold Member
Username: Juliob

Santo DomingoDominican Re...

Post Number: 3236
Registered: Dec-05
Trevor you f*cked up his system with ma audio. They're so overrated and their quality isn't top notch. I'd have picked the audiobahn, it has better quality, a cooling fan and it holds extremely cool/hot temperatures.

Ramses i hope you enjoy it.

Even a profile would be a lot better than the MA
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 51
Registered: Oct-06
Yo Julio.. I read up on MA Audio.. everything Ive read about them is good. Let me ask you a question Julio, Im connecting the amp and subs to my factory head unit. I read up and saw I need a LOC.

I just went on ebay and purchased this item number. Item number: 140049157970

Does this work good?
 

Gold Member
Username: Juliob

Santo DomingoDominican Re...

Post Number: 3241
Registered: Dec-05
doesn't matter too much the brand of the LOC, you just need the LOC ramses. I hope you enjoy your lil system. Is nice and should sound clean.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 52
Registered: Oct-06
If I recieve everything by thursday, then friday morning Im taking it for the install. I'll tell you how it sounds, and take some video of it, and place it on youtube.

I'm already thinking about a system for next year. I'm going to save up and buy Alpine Type R's. Ive seen so many video's on youtube. Those things look crazy! I'mma buy also a alpine headunit, and I got to see what amp, powers them up good to give them that huge bass I see in videos.

Here's a example:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qiBw3JkNQo

I want that crazy bass!
 

Gold Member
Username: Juliob

Santo DomingoDominican Re...

Post Number: 3243
Registered: Dec-05
that box might be tuned to 60 HZ lol!

and why are you so sure they're type Rs lol!

It must be a biga$$ box with huge ports
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 53
Registered: Oct-06
Why am I sure... Don't know but he states it in the begining of the video they are 2 12" Type R's.
What are huge ports? The spaces for ventilation?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Thakidgame

Hialeah Gardens, Florida U.S.A.

Post Number: 54
Registered: Oct-06
I like to thank everyone who helped me. I took everything to get installed today, and it exceded my expectations. The bass is incredible, and two of my friends that their flee market system was the "ish"
they now envy mine.
 

Gold Member
Username: Juliob

Santo DomingoDominican Re...

Post Number: 3349
Registered: Dec-05
enjoy it!
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