Well I had the RF HE's for about 2 weeks sounded great but wanted something louder. The subs were connected to RF 800.1 amp. So I retured the HE's and got the HE 2's much louder and the bass hits really nice. My cousing has the 12 vr on his truck and sound pretty good too but doesn't have the vibration like my speakers do. Could be the car since I drive a camaro. Well that's my 2 cents.