Directv Rumor
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Bronze Member Username: CybermasterPost Number: 24 Registered: Jan-07 | This is what I've heard about directv. Someone told me that directv is hackable with card reader. Meaning, that one can reprogram the directv card with card reader and then watch all directv channels just like dishnetwork. I don't know if this is true. But, if someone out there knows about this, I would definitely like to know. Peace. |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 914 Registered: Oct-06 | It is true But not a vailable to PTA users yet |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8532 Registered: Jan-06 | It is NOT true!...Nobody has hacked DTV since April 2004 when the stream was changed for the P4/D1 cards.. People spread rumors and say they hacked it or know of somebody who has, for 3 years now, but NOT 1 person in the world, has proved it! |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1596 Registered: Nov-06 | If or when it's hacked,will our fta boxes be capable of qspk to work on dtv? |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8533 Registered: Jan-06 | Very unlikely...U will need to glitch into the access card.. |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1601 Registered: Nov-06 | Viewsat and others have a card slot,But can the fta run on qspk ?And maybe it can be emulated after a hack. |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 919 Registered: Oct-06 | Man LK You want a DTV hack proof so bad A friend of mine lives one block away he is got ADT Security system, I got Sloman's shield at home but at work (not a safe area by far) I got ADT. We both live in a very quite town same value house no major theft for so many years. Exactly 2 years ago he got robbed They stole, cash, jewelery, and many expensive items. I never leave cash or jewlery at home. Is it fair to say Sloaman's is a much safer security system? Does it mean I will never get robbed? The fact is he was a target for a reason not because of my security system. I hope you can see my point  |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8536 Registered: Jan-06 | NO!...U have no point...point is DTV is NOT hacked!...and if U believe DTV is NOT a target then U are out of your mind!...millions have been trying for years to hack it again..we need another leak! |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1606 Registered: Nov-06 | Most software hacks are done by persistant hackers,trying all the possilbility's,a leak would be nice,but I think if and when it happen's it will be a true hack. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8542 Registered: Jan-06 | The original hack came from a leak.. |
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Bronze Member Username: CybermasterPost Number: 25 Registered: Jan-07 | a few things I would like to know. What is PTA and qspk? Thanks fellas. |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 925 Registered: Oct-06 | PTA= people receive service without payment QPSK is what DTV use instead of MPEG2 LK I know you are living to the day that DTV get hacked. But let say you do. What can you do with it. Going back to the days you program plastic? How long is that going to last? If you be patient a little MPEG-4 is universal give few weeks of patience until FTA receivers get that capabilities. It is easy to convert MPEG-2 to QPSK if you got MPEG decoder but the opposite you have to have QPSK coders. Who needs QPSK anymore, as we speak there are dozons of HD broadcast in 8PSK making QPSK days numbered. I know you got great memory just remember my words. If you keep refering to small scale tests in 2004 that is a total misrepersentation to dedicated hackers. Greatest development are on the way, patience required  Can't you see DTV scared to death? |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 822 Registered: Jul-06 |  PTA= Parent Teacher Association. As for QSPK and PTA, ask the tapeman King. |
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Bronze Member Username: RogybePost Number: 32 Registered: Dec-06 | What is with Globecast, it is Nagra 2 also, why is it not open since last summer, there is many channels on it that many people would like to see, does any one of you have clue about. |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 823 Registered: Jul-06 | Hey King First thing,Iam not trying to be sarcastic. Iam here to help and learn. Now my question, How do you get PTA to mean People Receive Service Without Payment? and DirecTV uses QPSK, what in the hell is that, I though they use DSS. BTW are you using a Chinese website? |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 926 Registered: Oct-06 | FTA= Free To Air PTA= Pirate To Air People Receive Service Without Payment is just a nice way put it. DSS usually use circular polarity small beam and frequency 12 GHz and higher. FSS usually use linear polarity large beam and frequency 11.7 GHz and higher 12 Ghz = 12000 khz (k=1000 G=1,000,000) I think you remember when I asked you about 118.75 FSS that uses circular polarity but linear frequency. It got my attention and you thought I was pulling your legs. All broadcast providers encode in MPEG-2 (for SD) Only DTV encode in QPSK very similar but not compatible to each other. Today all providers use something called 8PSK (MPEG-4) For HD Broadcast. But not too many reliable HD FTA receivers newer models I see slowly coming on board. You can find few comments that I posted Post#141 and Post#242 https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/322149.html I think if we all get along we can learn great deal from each other by sharing helpful information. Great satellite hobby beyond just getting fix bins and new keys. I joke a lot when I post something and often people think I B.S. I just mix business with pleasure. But I will never post false technical information. Nice dialog Kavin I hope I answered your questions   |
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Gold Member Username: PrfrmnjPost Number: 2557 Registered: Oct-05 | Okay here is my take on this. When someone (a thief for example) looks at a target he uses a basic analogy to select his target. This is called "Target of Opportunity" What I mean by this is they will look at the Accessibility and Vulnerability of prospective targets to select the one they will attack. Until now, the easies target for Satellite Pirates has been DN. Why because they have access to it. So it is easier to modify or write a few bins that will decode an encrypted signal. While there have been people looking to do the same with DTV, the effort has not been a massive one because they can get what they need from DN... "Accessibility & Vulnerability"... If a leak is to come out for DTV encryption, I can almost guarantee that one of two things will need to happen. First, DN will finally come up with a way to effectively stop piracy which will then renew the effort to attack DTV. Or Second, someone from the inside (and not DTV) I mean someone DN will either plant or buy will leak the signal. They will do this in order to facilitate the hacking of that signal and get everyone back to an even playing field. Can DTV be hacked -- I believe it could (and without a leak), but why invest in this when it is cheaper to do what has been done until now, continue to hack DN. This is the reason I say the above and while some may agree and others won't, this is just my two cents in the subject matter. |
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Silver Member Username: Crazy_greekPost Number: 827 Registered: Jul-06 | I see said the Chinaman. Right now Iam little confused but, I will look into it. THANKS |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 930 Registered: Oct-06 | It doesn't matter inside or outside This is like you say it is an inside job or outside what difference it is going to make You still have to back engineer it High Value Target (HVT) "military language Is kill 2 birds with one stone - International - Canadian - American What on earth you going to do with DTV No FTA receivers yet If I give you a choice BEV and DN together or only DTV When time is right you'll get 3 birds with one stone Kavin what chinaman |
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Gold Member Username: PrfrmnjPost Number: 2558 Registered: Oct-05 | Actually King "HVT" in military lingo is High Value Transit and that was a term used back in the day when we still had a military precense in Panama. "HVT" was the operations performed by our Special Warfare units in the area escorting military ships and subs through the Canal. |
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Gold Member Username: PrfrmnjPost Number: 2559 Registered: Oct-05 | But if you are referring to the terms use in the Intel field then then it is "Targets of Opportunity" and they are defiened by: Visibility (Media Interes) Vulnerability (Soft or Hard Target) Accessibility (Location) This is how terrorist selected their targets... |
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Silver Member Username: Hawaiian_timeKanaka freak... Post Number: 974 Registered: Apr-06 | I see your point PRFRMNJ. Taking that a step in another direction, whose to say DTV had nothing to do with all the efforts put in this couple of years to keep DN open. That would keep hackers away from them, for now, while at the same time causing DN to invest a lot of money combating piracy. |
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Silver Member Username: Cartier1Post Number: 378 Registered: Feb-07 | dtv can be hacked. anything can be hacked. the only prob is the cost . that's all . poepel are not willing to pay the damage. remember it's buisness. just like the spyware. they creat them in order to creat antispyware to sell in market. it's all about the dollars nothing is impossible. |
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Bronze Member Username: CybermasterPost Number: 31 Registered: Jan-07 | oh man, not what I was looking for. Can someone please tell me in simple words, if directv is hackable with access card. I don't want any metaphores or indirect comparisons like appliances. That creates the problem, and starts another topic within the topic. Please don't mind. Any help be great. Thanks. |
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Gold Member Username: SatscannerBeaversbush, Sportsmans P... Great White ... Post Number: 1625 Registered: Nov-06 | Well,even the US defence dept,and pentagon has been hacked.I saw yesterday on cnn the US is trying to exdradict the britan responsable.I'm sure DTV days are only as safe as bev/dn is available.This generation of hackers and coders is only getting better,Dtv will soon need a upgraded encryption system too. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8575 Registered: Jan-06 | I believe U all underestimate DTV and overrate the DOD and Pentagon...I have been around all 3 for many years.. and DN and nagra2 are not in the same league as the rest! |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 946 Registered: Oct-06 | I've said it many times before You won't hack s.hit from just reading access card Algorithm is written in form of Microprocessor op-code commands. Firmware Chip must be removed from circuit. Copy the firmware, translate opcodes, and start back engineering. I fully understand there is software traps and hardware traps. You can defeat both but hardware first not the other way around. A lot of trial and error. The biggest problem there are so many software wizards out there and very few basic hardware surviving. I'm not saying I'm smart. My point is it is so basic and fewer hardware fundamentalist available today. Many of them won't break the law. I'm fully aware there are a lot of people out there can do it from software which is a shell above firmware. Basic electronics 101 If anyone out there think DTV has something to do with software let me correct that. It is NDS who make both software and hardware requirements. DTV is just an end user they can change service program and password etc. and that is it. they pay royalty to NDS for their service as a customer. There is no such a thing in electronics that is not hackable. You just have to know what to look for. I WISH I WAS A HACKER to prove my point. You wanna believe me that is fine if you don't that is fine too. This is just a discussion. I just don't believe DTV never been hacked because it is unhackable. That is very laughable. I'm so confidant someone out there know exactly what to do and when to do it. Please don't give me death threats etc. these are my opinions according to the limited knowledge I know. It will be broken just be patient a little. |
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Gold Member Username: LklivesPost Number: 8578 Registered: Jan-06 | yes it was a NDS leak that allowed DTV to be hacked before the D1 cards were issued in April 2004...NDS was making the cards (P1, P2, P3, P4), UNTIL the leak and DTV made their own new D1 card..in fact big lawsuits and accusations, when that happenned..now NDS and DTV are buds again.. |
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Silver Member Username: TapemanNew York, NY Post Number: 947 Registered: Oct-06 | You know their history more than anyone here What I'm saying if anyone want to do it right you copy firmware from chip. With assembly knowledge it can be coloned by understanding algorthim before system trap. Requirements: - Understanding opcode commands of the MP - Reading/copying opcodes from both EEProm and Card Rom - Translate opcode commands - Start cloning and back engineering on FTA receiver that accepts QPSK General basic hardware stuff Anyone trying to clone from external software sources will be challenged by software traps which can be extremely difficult to disarm unless they know what to look for from leaked info like you are refering to. I'm talking about general level - You either do it by leaked info (short cut) - Or do it 100% back engineer (long way but will lead to objective) |
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Silver Member Username: Albino_midgetPost Number: 473 Registered: Jul-06 | Echo v NDS--some info here www.newcardnews.net/show_case_doc.Echo_V_NDS.zip |
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