Samsung and ps2 delay
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New member Username: GuelerPost Number: 1 Registered: Aug-04 | I just got my Samsung 50" DLP and have everything going composite video and optic audio. There is a slight lag when playing Hot Shots or Football when you have to time the cursor for kicking, swinging, etc... Is there a way to fix this? I am addicted to my tv and my game box...the lack of compatability is too much to bear! |
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TOO_COOL Unregistered guest |  yo i am selling my N64 for $100 with 7 games and a memory card and 4 controlers. i know you want it |
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Slayer Unregistered guest | I just got a Samsung 61" DLP and also have a lag while playing Hot Shots. Does anyone else have this problem, or know how to rectify it? |
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ryan1111 Unregistered guest | I have played hot shots and madden on both a samsung 50 inch dlp and a mitsubishi 62 inch dlp, both have exacty the same ammount of lag, very lame. the mitsu is a $5000 tv, this should not be a problem!!! |
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Saryon Unregistered guest | Just got the Samsung 61" DLP - same problem. Haven't found a solution yet |
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MattR Unregistered guest | I am having the same problem with my Samsung 50" DLP. I just tried switching from S Video to Component Cables but that did not change a thing. |
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New member Username: Bigevil2Post Number: 2 Registered: Feb-05 | Same problem for me on my new 50"DLP as well. Tech support says there is nothing that can be done. I think that is bull. I may return TV and go with LCD unless anyone has a solution. Please Help. |
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New member Username: Q445187Post Number: 2 Registered: Mar-05 | REGARDING VIDEO GAME DELAY ON SAMSUNG DLP'S I have been on the phone with them all week getting a HLN507 replaced (not for the synch, but for the 1080i input) I learned straight from the guy who tests video games on the Samsung DLP'S that the ONLY (that means only) DLP that is certified at this time is the HLP5067 (50"). No delay/synch issues. When the new models (HLR) come out they will have the same technology as the HLP5067 & will not have the delay. Until then let me refresh what i have stated - THE ONLY SAMSUNG DLP THAT DOES NOT HAVE SYNCH ISSUES WITH VIDEO GAMES IS THE HLP5067. |
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New member Username: DiehlbPost Number: 1 Registered: Mar-05 | Jeff, What number did you call and how long have you owned your TV? Is Samsung replacing your set or are you purchasing this TV on your own? |
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New member Username: Q445187Boise, Idaho Post Number: 5 Registered: Mar-05 | Brian, I called (800) 747-5618, Senior Manager is Tom Littlewood, right below him is Lina H, the product specialist for video games is Derek Banks. I was just BARELY within warranty & THEY replaced the tv. I am (obviously) very pleased with the outcome & do feel that they have gone beyond what most people would have expected in this situation. I feel that because of the work Derek is doing they are more aware of gamers issues & saw this as a chance to do the right thing. I don't even watch tv really, I play PS2 games & watch DVD's. |
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Phishman Unregistered guest | I just got the HL-P5674w Samsung DLP and the new model PS2. There is a huge delay...like 2 seconds...while hooked up with the supplied PS2 AV cables. I haven't purchased the component connections yet, but will they help with the lag time? It's really driving me crazy. So far it's the only part of the TV I don't like. |
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jimP Unregistered guest | I just bought a HL-P5063W Samsung DLP and MVP2005 is pretty much unplayable with the delay. I dropped $60 on the component cable and didn't notice any improvement. SocomII looks great though, and I havent' noticed a delay there because it has progressive scan that you can turn on. I'll try the 800 number and see if they have any options besides returning the tv. I have seen on other boards people suggest turning off all extra processing (DNle,high contrast/sharpness, etc). None of that worked for me. |
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Phishman Unregistered guest | So I got the $30 Sony Component cables and PS2 looks awesome on the TV, however, when I try to play anything with a timing scale/power meter like MVP2004 or Madden it's almost impossible to kick a field goal or pitch a strike. Games like Tekken look great and play really well. Tiger 2005 isn't all that bad either. I haven't tried all my games yet since I have other, supposedly more important things to do but I'll keep you posted as I continue to test. |
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jimp Unregistered guest | For MVP there is an undocumented way to put it in progressive scan. when the game is loading, hold down the triangle and the X buttons. The game will ask if you want to switch to progressive mode. I did this and it helped alot. |
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Anonymous | This is really crazy I spoke to samsung and they said that there is no plan to fix this problem thru the service port on the tv and that I should return the tv if I do alot of gaming!? |
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New member Username: Mark6188Annapolis, MD USA Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-05 | Although I can't claim to be the first one to figure this out, but I have solved the delay problem to my satisfaction. I will be specific as possible so you can try the same thing. I have a samsung 5085, and like you - had the delay problem. I primarily play karaoke revolution. On that game, when I say "TEST 123" in the microphone, my voice on the tv and the music bar meter doesn't come in until I get to the "2" in that phrase. About a full one second audio and video delay. The only other games I play are warhammer and ssx3. Although I can "feel" the delay, I never got good enough at those games or play them enough to see a difference. I do have madden 2003, but I've played that once. I also have a standard karaoke machine, xbox, and hp media center pc hooked up. The karaoke machine hooks up through the composite "red white yellow" jacks, and the xbox is on the Progressive 480p component jacks. The xbox did have a 1 second delay when hooked up to the composite jacks, but switching to component 480p eliminated this delay completly! I play halo2 and can tell you, it's not a problem. The HP media center pc hooks up to the 15pin vga port. No delay problem at all since I play karaoke for the pc on that as well and there is no delay of my voice either through the tv speakers or the stereo. The only shooter game I play on the pc is a freespace2 demo I downloaded and I don't have any delay with that either. I have my pc display at 1280x720. Okay, for the ps2, I bought the component plugs and saw no difference. The delay problem still there. That includes turning on and off every combination of the picture settings in the ps2 and tv menus. Here is how I got the delay problem fixed. Hook up your ps2 to the tv using your composite "red white yellow" jacks. You tv should have audio out jacks "red and white only". Hook up your stereo to these jacks so you can listen to your game through your stereo speakers. On the tv menu, turn the internal mute "OFF", but do turn the volume all the way down to "0". Let me be clear on this - you are not turning the mute "ON", you want the tv speakers to play sound, but you don't want to hear it so that's why you turn the volume down to "0". You want to listen to the sound through you stereo. Now I can play my karaoke revolution and my standard karaoke machine with no delay. Besides, I sound a lot better through my stereo. To test this, I turned my mute on and off during my singing and I could definitely hear and see the audio/vidio delay the instant I put the mute on. Meaning the the sound through the stereo was now delayed. The instant I turned the mute "off", the sound was back in sync. If you have the mute "off" and the tv volume up to where you can hear it, the sound from the tv is delayed compared to the sound from the stereo. That is why you turn the volume down to "0" but leave the Mute "OFF". I only have two hands so I can't really see the video delay, listen for the audio delay, and control all the remotes and menu commands at once - meaning I can't really see if the there is a "jump" in the video, but I think I see it? Anyway, I hope this helps some of you. I did read in the forum somewhere that this worked for someone else. I'm curious for those of you who's reflexs are a little quicker, can tell me if this really fixed the problem. I mean, my eye hand coordination is not good enough to say there is still a "split" second delay in gaming. I can only say that it's fixed to my satisfaction. There is no longer a full 1 second delay. Here is one last tip. if the above works for you - Get the S-Video jack for your PS2, no delay problem when doing the above and the picture looks a hundred times better. Almost like 480p. Another wierd thing I noticed was that sometimes, turning the tv off then back on would cure the delay problem. Another thing you can try is turning off or removing all other inputs to the tv except your PS2. Maybe the tv is having a hard time keeping up with converting all those signals to 720p at the same time even though you only are displaying one at a time. |
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New member Username: Mark6188Annapolis, MD USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-05 | Hi, justed need to ad one more thing. When I say Mute "OFF", I am talking about the "INTERNAL MUTE" in the TV menu, not the mute button on the remote control. On the remote, just turn the volume all the way to "0" but do not turn the mute on where it shows "MUTE" on the tv screen. |
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New member Username: I_am_nachosBurlington, VT USA Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-05 | I recently returned my Samsung DLP (Model HL-P4663W) because it delayed 480i and 480p input too much, which made gaming impossible and DVDs out-of-sync. Any word on the new Samsung 67 and 68 series? (for example, HL-R4667W, HL-R6768W) These are out and reviews are on www.cnet.com. Specifically, Jeff Sanders said earlier they'd be OK... Has anyone verified this yet? |
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kklare Unregistered guest | I had a samsung tv service repair guy over yesterday to fix the delay problem on my hlp6163w and it really helped. He was able to change what I believe was the dithering rate, and the delay went from about 250ms to probably less than 100ms. It is not a perfect fix and SHAME ON SAMSUNG for selling TVs with such a nasty delay, but I might just give up and deal with it at this point. The company clearly wants to dodge this bullet since probably 90% of the DLP owners out there don't notice or care enough to complain. What kind of a consumer electronics company will so quickly dismiss video gaming as a major use of their televisions? The gaming industry is massive and ANY delay makes playing games a miserable experience. |
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embarrased to be a gammer Unregistered guest | Why don't you people as consumers take responsibility for ASKING QUESTIONS FROM THE SALESPERSON about a product before buying it. I have no love for Big Business making money off of something that does not work properly, but those of you complaining about a "fraction second delay" need to get over it. You only see it if you want to see it....if its off by more then 1/2 a second and obvious and it can not be changed to fix the delay then yes....you have a gripe, but Jeez.... complaining about game delay.....or 1/4 second delay.....get a life. |
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kklare Unregistered guest | I'm only guessing it's a 1/4 second delay, I didn't get my stopwatch out to check. Maybe it was a 1/2 second delay. I gripe to warn other potential buyers before they shell out $3,000. A salesperson is the last one I would present those questions to. They are there to make a commission on the brand they need to sell. I'm sorry you didn't find my posting helpful, 'embarrased to be a gammer'. |
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Idiot AOL user LOL Unregistered guest | To "embarrased": salespeople aren't going to know anything about some video delay on one TV out of 40 that they sell. And that "fraction second delay" you speak of is the difference between playabilty and unplayablity on any fast-action game. You can't help but feel the lag- it's not a choice. I have a 46" Samsung that I'm going to consider returning after finding out about this first hand. I thought it was my GameCube, but it was the TV. |
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Anonymous | The "rear projection TV" message board on this site has a whole thread of similar delay issues with Samsung using a home theater system. When hooking up components through an AVR and then to TV, the sound on the AVR is a fraction of a second earlier than the sound and video from the TV. Seems like same issue that people describe here - the DLP processing time seems to delay things so TV has a lag. I'm pretty frustrated by this, but I think a workaround for home theater use is to connect all components direct to TV and then connect the TV audio out to the AVR so at least sound will synch. However, this does nothing for gaming. I think testing video games on TV should be required since the same issue will result in unsynched surround sound and that should be stated clearly in the manuals. Question is: is this a Samsung specific probelem (I have the HL-R5067W 1 week old) or is this just a DLP problem overall? Thanks for comments. SJI |
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Anonymous | I just rewired everything so now all goes through the TV inputs and the TV output goes to the AVR so everything is in sync. It definitely seems to keep the surround sound information so thats not a problem. But its driving me crazy that Samsung made me feel like this is a non-issue and the Tweeter salesmen I worked with don't know it either. I came up with a very simple test that you can do in-store ot or at home to prove this - and Im curious if Sears guy does this what he will find: just take either your portable DVD player (if you have one) or camcorder or laptop computer and plug it into the AV inputs on your DLP. Play a tape or DVD and make sure the sound is up on both your portable unit and the TV. With mine, you can definitely hear the lag on the TV - its a little tricky on the ears but it has an echo sound. I did the same test on my old standard TV and there was no delay. Now, technically I know that every TV has a delay for the electronics, but old TVs are probably in the milisecond range (like 1-10) whereas the DLPs are in the 50-250 range which is perceptible. Anyway, before you or anyone buys a TV, especially if you are serious gamer (which I am not) this test can easily be done in store beforehand and to prove it to the Tweeter guys what Im talking about. SJI |
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kklare Unregistered guest | You're absolutely right, the test you recommend is definitive proof of this problem. Samsung is doing their best to ignore this issue. Last week I received a follow-up voice message from an unnamed lady in their customer service department. She told me that there are no delays, that the problem is with my game console (did she think I haven't tried the console on another TV????), and that there is nothing that Samsung can or is obligated to do about it. I really wish she left a name or number because she needs to know just how wrong she is. It is a problem with the TV, it can be "fixed" to a marginally acceptable degree, and Samsung is obligated to address this. |
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New member Username: I_am_nachosBurlington, VT USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-05 | To everyone: Please identify the model of your TV, like HL-P4663W or such. Describing your TV as a 50" DLP is not sufficient. The difference in models is significant, according to Jeff Sanders: "When the new models (HLR) come out they will have the same technology as the HLP5067 & will not have the delay... THE ONLY SAMSUNG DLP THAT DOES NOT HAVE SYNCH ISSUES WITH VIDEO GAMES IS THE HLP5067..." Therefore, if you have a Samsung HLR series or an HLP5067, please state whether or not you see a delay. |
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Anonymous | As I wrote 4 posts up - I have the HL-R5067W which is 1 week old and I definitely see the delay. I've seen the post from Jeff Sanders you mentioned, but for what its worth I disagree. The HL-R5067W has a noticible delay. SJI |
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kklare Unregistered guest | As I previously wrote, I have the HLP6163W. |
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EECS geek Unregistered guest | I have a Samsung HLP5063; had it since July '04. For HD broadcasts the Audio and Video are synced up nicely. However, for the regular 480i programming on some channels I notice that the Audio lags behind Video. I can deal with this... BUT the sync issues with the PS2 blow. In fighting games like Soul Caliber 2, or action games like Viewtiful Joe, the delay is extremely annoying and might hinder optimum play, but the games are still frustratingly playable. UTTERLY UNPLAYABLE describes the experience with party games that depend on hitting buttons or musical notes at the exact time like Karaoke revolution (I read the fix for the sound sync above; it still won't fix the movement of the tone bar that slides up and down - looking at the screen might throw you off) and ESPECIALLY DDR (UGH!!!!). I thought I could fix this issue via the Factory settings menu (I remember when I first got the TV there was an option to control the delay the audio)... but after reading the above posts it seems that there is nothing you can do to fix the delay time from input device being pressed to the moment the display registers the input on the screen. It boggles the mind how Samsung still has not resolved this issue with the new HLR sets. I'm still under warranty with Circuit City, but I'm not sure what they can do to resolve the problem - even replacing the set with a new Samsung won't fix it. Thankfully, I rarely play video games nowadays ... but for the occasions I'm having a party and want to break out a game like DDR I will have to rely on my old SONY CRT 27in standby from 1988(still good, except for the mono sound). Screw you Samsung (and TI if the somehow the sync problem is due to the HD DMD chip)!!! Ironically, one of the reasons I bought the Samsung DLP was the ability to play video games without worrying about burn-in and ability to replace the bulb. Now that burn-in is almost a non-issue, and long lasting lifetimes of LCD and Plasmas, my next TV purchase will definitely be either a Direct View LCD (Sharp?) or Plasma (Pioneer). |
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New member Username: Mark6188Annapolis, MD USA Post Number: 3 Registered: Apr-05 | Okay,I have another fix if my previous fix didn't work for you (I posted one a little further up). I just bought a Yamaha 5850 reciever from bb. It will up convert any signal up to component 480i. It will pass through 480p so my xbox is still playing and displaying in 480p with no delay. Although the 480i was giving me delay problems when I hooked up the ps2 directly to the component jacks on the tv, for some reason I get no delay when I go through the receiver. I also use the optical cable out on the ps2 and pluged it into the receiver. I play ddr, amplitude, and karaoke revolution. No delays that I can percieve. I was getting huge 1 second delays when I hooked the ps2 component 480i to the tv. Not any more! Also, my standalone karaoke machine outputs composite only - the single yellow video jack. Now I get no delay in my singing voice on the tv when I hooked it up to the receiver which up converted it to 480i. There was a huge 1 or 2 second delay when hooked up directly to the composite jacks on the tv. I've seen the yamaha for under $300 online. Match it up with some speakers and you got an awesome gaming machine and sound machine. I hooked up my samsung dvi dvd player directly to the dvi jack on the tv, and the optical digital out to the yamaha receiver. No delay or sync problems. Also, it plays sacd and dvda which is really amazing sound if your into that sort of thing. |
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Idiot AOL user LOL Unregistered guest | I think this depends on what is considered a noticeable delay. ^^^If you're coming from a 1 or 2 second delay, a 1/4 second delay might seem like nothing. It's actually still terrible. Are you still getting a really small delay, or is it TOTALLY gone (a la CRT)? I tested my GameCube using its S-video output on a bunch of TVs: Samsung HLP4663 and Mitsu. WD-52525 DPLs both had ~1/4 second delay (250ms!!). Sony KDF55WF655 had about ~1/8 second delay. Philips Plasma 42PF9976/37 and LCD 26PF9966/37 only slightly less than the Sony. Then I went home and tested on my 32" Proscan. 0 delay. Nothing. The info above seems to contradict the information given earlier about 480p/i not offering any improvement over S-video. Who's right? |
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kklare Unregistered guest | I don't know whether the issue with 480p/i has any bearing, but all inputs I tested before the technician tweaked the dithering rate appeared to have the same delay (~250ms, awful). After the tweak the delay looks to be around 100ms. It's not gone, but it is better. Still noticeable with any interactive device (xbox) or portable dvd player. |
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New member Username: Mark6188Annapolis, MD USA Post Number: 4 Registered: Apr-05 | Well, you may be right. I may not notice a 1/4 second delay when comming from a 1 and 2 second delay. I'm not that good at any of the games. When I play my karaoke machine and turn it's internal speaker way up, then turn my yamaha reciever sound up, I still cannot percieve any delay. So for now the tv is living up to my expectations (with a little help from yamaha). But, I don't want even a 250ms delay if I can help it. Just the way I (a daytrader) think. penny here, penny there, it all adds up. So I have to ask, 1. Did the technician adjust the dithering rate through the service menu? The menu you can get to by pushing certain buttons on the remote? I got in once before and adjusted the red color to look more red. Most of my star tred dvd's, everyone's uniform looked purple. Now it's pretty close to right. I heard you can pay guy to calibrate the color, but i'm happy for now. 2. How are you guys/gals measuring 100ms or 250ms? If it's just simply you have better senses than me, that's possible. I'll just live within my means. Ignorance is bliss. If you have a specific method(s), please share it. Just another thought. Maybe that little mirror color wheel thing inside will never spin fast enough? Just to remind everyone what I've done real quick. Model 5085 Hooking anything up directly to the tv below 480p had a delay between 1 and 2 seconds. Hooking up ps2 using 480i cables w/optical audio out, karaoke using composite and analog audio, and xbox set to 480p w/ analog audio out, all of these machines plugged into the yamaha have no delay that I can tell. The yamaha seems to pass through the 480i from the ps2, upconvert the karaoke to 480i, and pass through the xbox 480p. My pc hooked directly on tv's vga 15pin w/coaxial audio out, and dvd player on tv's dvi w/optical audio and 5.1 channel analog out - no percieved delay. All sound is running through yamaha. whew! Maybe I'll post a small sound and/or video clip if anyone is interested. That way you can see and hear for yourself if there is any delay. |
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kklare Unregistered guest | Yes, the technician used the service menu. I forget what the original setting was (maybe 1) and he moved it up to a 2 or 3. What is interesting about this delay (and proof that Samsung knows of its existence) is that there is a matching audio delay. Once the guy reduced the video delay, he tinkered with the audio delay until they were synced again. We only used our eyes and ears to do this syncing and I'm only guessing what the delay time was, but a quarter second is a lot more noticable than it sounds. Samsung really shafts its gaming/kareoke/reveiver customers by not disclaiming this delay. |
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New member Username: ValkurenPost Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05 | Well, I just bought the Sammy HLR4667W and had the same problem concerning the delay when playing fast paced games on my PS2 such as Tekken 5. Needless to say, I was gonna return the TV after reading this forum and a number of others but decided to call customer service to see if the technicians knew of this issue and/or if there was a resolution. First let me say that yes, there is a solution which worked for my television and as I was told should work for the other HLR models that are available currently. Within the Menu you need to select the input option then component name, then select the corresponding component, either game, cable, HDMI, etc and that should do the trick. It worked for me and trust me, I am a HARD CORE gamer. Been playin' Tekken for about 10 years now and been a fan since. I was VERY concerned when I couldnt do my juggle combos, but alas, now I can. Give it a shot. |
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Idiot AOL user LOL Unregistered guest | ^^^So, this works for HLR models but not HLPs? It appears so; I tried it on the TV in my store and there is still the same delay, but it is an older HLP. I will try the HLR soon. |
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Idiot AOL user LOL Unregistered guest | Folks, this is all wishful thinking, I'm afraid. ALL HD RPTVs, CRT, DLP, and LCD, among others, delay the video input. None are going to be as good as a direct-view CRT. The closest performer I could find was a plasma. See, I just went to a Best Buy and hooked up my Gamecube to a whole slew of TVs, including one of the Samsung HLR5067Ws (which, I might add, had the slowest performance!!) Needless to say I was disappointed by every TV I hooked up my Gamecube to EXCEPT a standard definition CRT, which performed perfectly. Actually, I didn't even need to do that (but I did anyway). All the TVs were showing the same HD signal from an HD video distrubutor (all hooked up with component), so all I really needed to do was to look at the entire TV wall at once and see which TVs were ahead or behind the others. The Samsung (HLR5067W) was lagging behind all of the other DLPs and LCDs, which in turn lagged behind the plasmas and LCD flat panels. The two salesman noticed it too when I pointed it out. When I hooked up the Gamecube to the Samsung, I did what the poster before me (Kevin) indicated by calling the input I plugged it into (the side input, "S-Video 3") "GAME" under the Samsung menu. The lag was still quite noticable, even more than the Panasonic LCDs and the JVC DiLA, though I did not compare it to when I had not called the input GAME; I figured doing this would not change anything or would simply show me how bad the lag was BEFORE I made the right adjustments. By the way, turning on or off the video processing, like DNiE or whatever, does nothing- these processors don't add any delay! And the problem is obviously not limited to only 480i sources, as it was plain as day that some TVs had more significant lag than others, and they were all getting HD through component video inputs. So the notion that HD video games won't have lag problems is BULL! If you go to do this comparison your self (which I recommend!), try to see all of the TVs at the same time with the same live source (like the HD signal that Best Buy sends to its TV wall). Try looking between two TV sets, the first ideally a plasma, and the one you'd like to test. It's usually very easy to see which one's ahead with material that changes often, like action scenes with quick cuts. Flashes of light also give it away. If you want to play video games on the TV, better not buy a DLP, LCD, or other modern HD RPTV. |
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kklare Unregistered guest | > If you want to play video games on the TV, better not buy a DLP, LCD, or other modern HD RPTV. The companies that make these products need to be more forthright in telling consumers about this interactive deficiency. |
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ChubbsJr Unregistered guest | I baught the 46" Samsung DLP and experienced the delay especially with MVP and Hot Shots. Nothing i tried worked and i finally took my ps2 to the store and plugged it on to a few tv's and discovered that the Toshiba 52" and 46" DLP's did not have a delay. I am returning my Samsung for the Toshiba. |
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Greg G Unregistered guest | I have a Samsung 5067 and was just speaking with them about the delay for home theater. I also learned this which may be of value to you game folks: 1) If you set the input name to 'game' two of three processing steps are skipped inside the tv so the delay is at a minimum. |
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Unregistered guest | Guys, I've got the SAMMY 5663. So excited to get it home and play MVP 2005 and Madden 2005. The delay is aweful. I've tried everything posted on this board, with no results. GARBAGE. I'm debating taking the TV back to the store. Any thoughts. |
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the_abbott Unregistered guest | I have the 2006 samsung 50' DLP HLR5067. I play a lot of gamecube games and noticed a serious lag on the input from controllers. I did the thing where you rename the AV input to say "Game" and the lag is still there. For most fighting games its not noticeable but I play donkey konga, which is like ddr with its precise timing. Is there any other way to fine tune the settings to help this problem. |
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kklare Unregistered guest | Figure out how to access the service menu, change the dithering setting. It helped with my tv. I'll do a little online searchin' and see what I can find about this menu, it's something Samsung doesn't want us to play with so I don't know how to access it. |
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kklare Unregistered guest | To access the service menu: 1) After the tv has been running for at least 20 minutes, power off. 2) With the remote press MUTE, 1, 8, 2, POWER The TV should turn on with the service menu displayed. |
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Matty Mc Unregistered guest | KKLARE, Thanks for your research. Unfortuanately, it doesn't bring me to a service menu. I went back to the store and they are replacing my Sammy DLP with a 50" Sony Grand Wega. Hopefully this TV is a lot better for gamers like me. |
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Idiot AOL user LOL Unregistered guest | Matty- The Sony Grand Wega will only be a slight improvement over the Samsung; lag will still be quite noticable. There is NO solution right now. My suggestion to everyone on this board is to use standard def CRTs or HD LCDs or plasmas for video games. Don't try to fool yourself into believing that there is some "fix" for the RP HDTVs- there's not. Maybe in the future, but not now. |
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Anonymous | Has anyone tried an audio delay device? That is what customer service is recommending. |
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Unregistered guest | Does anyone know if getting the xbox 360 will fix the delays? |
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Matty Mc Unregistered guest | Hey Everyone, I'm just closing off from my message on July 28th. Since then, I received my Sony Wega 50" model to replace my Sammy DLP. I couldn't be happier with the Sony Wega. The color is incredable. I don't notice any kind of delay while playing PS2 games on it. MVP Baseball and Madden Football work great! Despite other comments on this message board, I am extremely satisfied with the Sony Grand Wega LCD!!! Hope this helps anyone with similar problems that I had. |
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New member Username: RmyukonMontgomery, AL USA Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-05 | I just received my new Samsung HLR 5668W yesterday and today I tried to play Hot Shots Fore! on my Playstation 2. I knew the older DLP models had certain problems with delays on video game play and was hoping that the latest model (HLR 5668W 1080p) would have fixed this problem. Well, it turns out that the video delay on this game was over 1 second, but with no noticible audio delay. That's when I looked to the good ol' internet to come up with a solution and I found this web forum. I read above that I should try to change the component info to "GAME" type. This helped significantly. However the original delay was SO bad that switching to "GAME" improved the delay about one-half. So the delay now is about 1/2 second. So Hot Shots Fore! is still unplayable. So far this is the only step I have taken to improve the delay AND this is the only game I have tried. Just wanted to let you know that the latest model STILL has BIG issues with delay, although I'm sure most of you guys knew that already since most of you seem to have a far greater knowledge of these things than I do. I will post later after trying other methods to fix the problem to let you know if anything worked. |
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New member Username: RmyukonMontgomery, AL USA Post Number: 2 Registered: Aug-05 | I opened my service screen on my Samsung HLR5668W to try to change the "dithering rate" like someone suggested above, but I could not figure out where it was inside the service menu because nothing said DITERING RATE. Any tips would be appreciated. Still having about a 1/4 second delay on Hot Shots Fore! |
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Matt3434 Unregistered guest | I have the HLR 50"- got it 2 days ago, returning it tomorrow. Just stumbled across the forum here after experiencing these same lag issues. The HLR is not a fixed version as stated above. |
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not a happy camper Unregistered guest | I bought the HL-R5067 on Friday. The issue is definitely not fixed, as stated above. I switched to ps2 component cables, set the mode to GAME, and even messed with the dithering rate (the mute, 1, 8, 2, power works to bring up the service menu). I also bought a Sony receiver with up conversion to component, but that didn't work either and returned it. I'm stuck, like most of you, with a tv that doesn't work well with video games. The Samsung website lists that there is a delay with composite and S-video cables, but switching to component will fix the problem... hardly! Anyway, hope that helps anyone considering a samsung dlp... haven't decided whether to keep it and deal or return it. |
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not a happy camper Unregistered guest | UPDATE... I talked to a television technician, who in turn, discussed the issue further with Samsung. It is a problem with the way they slow down video to make it sync up with the sound. They know it's a problem, but obviously won't market it that way, or else no gamers would purchase their tv's. Returned it, took my PS2 into best buy and tried it, then bought the 55" Sony Grand WEGA RP-LCD HDTV. It's great. Absolutely no delay. Picture is awesome (although not as bright as DLP.) Hope this info has helped others. Bottom line is, if you're into gaming, DO NOT PURCHASE A SAMSUNG DLP! |
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Newbie new b Unregistered guest | Strangly I have no problems with ps2 at all with my HLR 42" samsung. I've played racing games, fighthing games, no delay. I've used S video cable, and now Component cables, all ok. But, I recently purchased a Pioneer vsx1015tx receiver, and still trying to figure out the settings, saw the lip sync with my LOR DVD's....I havn't done all the setting and auto setting with the receiver yet, and hopefully that's why it's giving the lip sync... |
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stinkypoon Unregistered guest | i hear it's not an issue with the HLR, mostly with the HLP. of course they don't tell you that, it takes a long time browsing forums like this before you notice the trend. jerks. |
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zdckaed7 Unregistered guest | I just purchased a HL-R6768W and am experiencing a similar delay while using a ps2. Disappointing. |
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blair78 Unregistered guest | I don't think this is only a Samsung issue, I have a 44" Insignia Plasma tv, and I've expirencing the same issues as described above.  |
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Anonymous | DON'T BUY DLP. LCD REAR PROJECTION IS THE WAY TO GO IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD STRAIGHT LCD. I bought the Samsung DLP (42'), experienced delay, found this site, tried everything, nothing worked. I brought it back to Best Buy & they did a staight up exchange for a Sony due to the delay. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | does xbox360 have these problems too? |
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ado7o5 Unregistered guest | does the xbox360 have these problems on the samsung hl-r5067w too? i was told the delay was caused from converting 720p to 480..the current ps2 is 480 so it causes a delay to convert. but the xbox 360 is 720p so no delay from converting ..is this true? anyone have the xbos360 hooked to one of these sets? |
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New member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 6 Registered: Feb-06 | for xbox 360, use the HDMI hookup, or w/e its called. as for the delay, it has to do with the ammount of data coming through to the tv, composite(yellow video) will have the greatest delay. Upgrading to Component cables will solve or greatly reduce this issue. Also keep in mind that your tv needs to process this data and project it onto a larger screen. many xbox games support different resolutions, they arent all 720p, example: Halo 2 is 420p, while MX vs ATV Unleashed is 1080i. Someone mentioned something about changing the Dithering rate in the service menu, i looked for it, but dont have a clue where it is. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | do you have the xbox360? |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | an xbox360 and a dlp tv? and have no lag whats so ever? |
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New member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 7 Registered: Feb-06 | no, but a friend of mine does |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | well all 360 games have to be 720p.(or higher).im really starting to worry about keeping this samsung |
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New member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 8 Registered: Feb-06 | he doesnt have a dlp tv, but HDMI would carry the signal best for the xbox 360 |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | my concern is that all dlp tv's have lag no matter what system, or cables used |
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New member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 10 Registered: Feb-06 | then the delay issue is caused internally by the tv, i am not an expert at this, i purchased my Samsung HLR-5064W about 2 months ago, my ps2 delays when i use composite video(yellow) but my xbox does not delay while using Component setup |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 11 Registered: Feb-06 | I wish that I could offer a solution that would work best for everyone, this delay problem seems to occur differently with a lot of people using DLP tv's. This is just an idea but I believe that progressive scan games, process a lot faster thus reducing the lag, a lot of ps2 games do NOT support progressive scan, they are just 420i and thats why there is a delay, even with Component cables. As newer games are released, they will be available with progressive scan, which will make all games run the same with little or no delay at all. just an idea 0.o |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 12 Registered: Feb-06 | here is some info about tvs and the delays they produce, nice read. http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/audiolipsyncvideo.php |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 13 Registered: Feb-06 | I think I figured all this out, I just got some Component Cables for my ps2, made by Sony. This is what I have: ----------------- Samsung 50" DLP (HLR-5064W) PS2 hooked up with Component cables Xbox hooked up with Component cables When I play my Xbox through Component, I dont get any delay, all of my Xbox games are 420p. When I play my PS2 through Component, I still get a delay. The games I tested were NHL 06 and Burnout 3: Takedown. Only Burnout 3 offers 420p, so while the game loaded I held X and Triangle and switched it to 420p mode instead of standard 420i, while playing the game in 420p there was no delay at all. So I believe that all games that are ran in 420i mode(default for all PS2 Games) will have a delay. Xbox doesnt have this issue because their games all have Progressive Scan (420p). So even if you buy Component Cables to resolve this delay issue, you have to play games that support Progressive Scan. This is the conclusion I came to, I hope it helps everyone. If anyone is still confused or has any questions, post them here or send me an email |
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Procartuning Unregistered guest | Just thought i would post my comments..... We have the HLR5067 Samsung 50" DLP.... we use PS2 XBOX and PC on it with no delay issues.... the picture quality is amazing and the imputs all work correctly.... (except for the stupid Time Warner Cable HDMI HD issues but this is a problem everywhere I hear. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | why do sd tv channels have to take a hit in order to have hdtv on other channels? do lcd sd channels look better than dlp or do they both look the same? (thnx for your advice chase, ill hook my xbox up and see how that works).... (how can Procartuning have the exact same set up as i do , yet i have lag and he doesnt?????) |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 15 Registered: Feb-06 | ad0705 are you using Component Cables? Maybe the games he plays use Progressive scan. The only way to tell if you have a delay problem is by hitting a button and seing when it applies on the screen. but also beware, some games such as NHL 06, the menus in the game are just laggy, there is a delay no matter what you play it on. Audio can be synched up with the Video many different ways, which people say solve their delay issues. This might be fine for them because they "see" and "hear" stuff in sync. By "SD TV" channels what do you mean? and what is this "Time Warner Cable HDMI HD" problem? I might be able to clear it up a bit |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 16 Registered: Feb-06 | ad0705, if its just an Xbox your hooking up, not a 360. Make sure you go into the Video options and set them to what your tv is. HD, Widescreen format, 420p, 720p, 1080i compatible. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | sd means standard definition as opossed to high def.you know, regular tv before high def...only a certain amount of channels(like 8) are in high def or high def converted. the others are still sd tv channels and look like crap.... (by the way, i have a HLR5067 Samsung 50" DLP. ill try the xbox later today and let ya know how it works. as for the ps2 , i dont have component cables for that, its the original ps2 not the new one.(so theres no ports for component) |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 19 Registered: Feb-06 | you cant get hd channels unless you subscribe to HD, if a channel says HD it just means that its "offered" in HD, which you then have to order. All sd channels, cable channels are broadcasted in 420i, some are better than others. As for the ps2, I have an old one too, the Component Cables go into the same port as the old ones. One end has the silver rectangle connection and the other has 5 outs, red green blue for video and red and white for audio. So you can get Component Cables for your older ps2. |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 20 Registered: Feb-06 | here are the ps2 component cables: http://www.us.playstation.com/peripherals.aspx?id=SCPH-10100U you need ones that are specifically for ps2, or xbox, standard Component cables have 3 ends on each side. ps2 and xbox ones have 1 side dedicated to be connected to the system. :D |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 21 Registered: Feb-06 | I just rented Fifa 06 for PS2, which has Progressive scan, either 420p or 720p. I will test it out tonight and post on it shortly after. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | i am subcribed to hd..what im saying is that the sd (480i stations) look like crap on this tv compared to my old 36" crt(tube)tv that was non hd..im wondering if the lcd, and lcd projections are the same |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 22 Registered: Feb-06 | ahhh, i gotcha, nah the problem is just because its stretching the image so big with only a res of 420. non hd channels will all look the same on a big screen, the best way to watch 420i tv is on a small tv, 27" or so. regular cable tv looks fine on my 50" but it doesnt look as good compared to my 27" tube. hopefully there will be more HD channels, soon. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | i was told that component cables only help with the way the picture looks and sounds not with lag...did you switch to component from composite because of lag???? (did you ever feel the lag im talking about??) what kind of tv do you have?? |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 25 Registered: Feb-06 | i have a Samsung 50" DLP (HLR-5064W) The Component Cables seperate the video data so it can come through faster. I switched to Component from Composite because of the lag. As for the lag you are talking about, the delay from when you hit a button and then see it on the screen after a bit, yes that is the lag/delay i was reffering to add me to MSN if you have it, much easier to talk MSN: Lethal_Rejekt@hotmail.com |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | how do i change it from 480 t0 720 ..etc..when i go to video options it says only widescreen, letterbox,and normal...doesnt say anything about changing resolution ..are you talikng about an xbox 360??? i only have the original for now( till they start selling them again) ps..i dont have msn |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 26 Registered: Feb-06 | you need to have it hooked up with component cables first, then you get some more options, "does your tv support: 420p, 720p, 1080i?" then it should be all good |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 27 Registered: Feb-06 | as for my Fifa 06 test, here is what I got - PS2, Component Hookup, Fifa 06, 420p mode: NO DELAY AT ALL! so for anyone having delay issues, you just need component cables and to play games that support progressive scan. I have no clue why interlaced games have issues. |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | ok cool ill get component cables then..i have an unrelated question, perhaps you can answer. why do crt tv's only go up to 36 inches??? |
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Bronze Member Username: AclhunterPost Number: 28 Registered: Feb-06 | no clue really, i think that anything bigger than a 36" CRT is just called a rear projection, maybe? iunno :P 36" is still pretty big tho, specially for gaming, cuz controllers only go so far... |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | now-a-days controllers are wireless, lol |
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ad0705 Unregistered guest | bought the componenet cables (cheap ones) they helped , im sure if i bought the high end cables the problem would completely go away, thnx 4 the advice |