Why are square rooms not good?

 

Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1262
Registered: Feb-07
Just wondering...

I've heard it said here a few times. I'm guessing it has something to do with sound waves and reflections?
 

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Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 12898
Registered: May-04
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Yeah, those ol' sound waves and reflections are a killer. A square room has similar peaks and dips is all dimensions. So the room induced peaks and valleys are all multiplied by each other resulting in much deeper valleys and much higher peaks. A non-similar dimensioned room might have typical peak to peak responses in the range of +/-20dB, most have less than that. A square room with all modes excited can easily exceed +/-40dB. You aren't hearing what's on the disc or what the equipment manufacturers intended when you have that much variation induced just by the room. With that much variation it's all but impossible to bring the overall response down to acceptable levels of flatness.


In the mid to high end of the frequency range, slap echo is multiplied and stays in the room too long which smears clarity, ambience and imaging potential. The only solution to slap echo is treating all of the walls, ceiling and floor with absortive materials which tends to then take the mid to high frequencies away all together. The room sounds too alive when not treated and too dead when it is treated.


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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Post Number: 1267
Registered: Feb-07
Excellent.

Thanks!
 

Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3145
Registered: Sep-04
Only one thing worse than a square room...


A cube! Then all those reflections and room modes are tripled instead of doubled.
 

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Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 12913
Registered: May-04
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One thing worse than a cube ... A newly constructed square room, on a pier and beam foundation, tiled, with a barrel ceiling and lots of windows without drapes.


Yikes!

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Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3152
Registered: Sep-04
Barrel ceiling? Whassat?
 

Platinum Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 12916
Registered: May-04
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Instead of a vaulted ceiling, the ceiling is shaped like the inside of a barrel. Highest at the middle and curved along the length of the room to form each side portion. It's a common feature in Dallas architecture of the 1970's. It belongs to the school of Bohemian Baroque Look How Much Money I Got design.


The only type of room I've been in that might be worse is a true geodesic dome. We had one at my undergraduate college which was actually designed and construction overseen by Buckminster Fuller himself. It had a ceiling which was constructed of curved glass panels. It was intended to be the University's chapel but it was not all that useable due to the mulitple long, constant reflection times. At some locations within the room you could not hear what was being said on the other side of the room 35 feet away from you. I had some classes that were held in the space and it was quite a treat to walk out of that space into an open field. A true lesson in acoustics.


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Gold Member
Username: Frank_abela

Berkshire UK

Post Number: 3156
Registered: Sep-04
Ah right...
 

Silver Member
Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 325
Registered: Oct-07
My LR isn't so bad, after all!
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