Ok, now they can't get anything near as loud as my 2 RE12's and they can't get as deep or sound as clear or musical or accurate etc. But DAMN, I heard 1 Dual 12" sub in a generic bandpass box powered by a legacy amp. For being a sucky system it really didn't sound THAT sucky. Would I get one? Hell no, I am just saying, that for having such a bad rep and stuff they aren't terrible.