Amplifier for 4 components speakers *Orion or Xtant*

 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 56
Registered: Sep-05
hey guys can you tell me which amp will give better SQ and overall best for 4 CDT Audio EF-61 Components

ORION 8004 4 Channel Amplifier
or
Xtant 404M 4 channel Amplifier

thankx
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4750
Registered: Nov-04
I think the Xtant is made in US. That amp should also come with a feature that'll let you use rca for balanced input. Helps to get rid of ground loop problem.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 57
Registered: Sep-05
hey budy this is the specifications for xtant amp
Features:
Fully regulated, PWM power supply.
Doubling of power from 4 to 2 Ohm loads.
Hand-matched, complementary MOSFETS for better performance and sound quality.
Fully discrete power amp.
Independent amplifier gain adjustment.
Over-current and thermal protection circuitry.
Selectable Balanced line inputs.
Unbalanced input sensitivity (100 mV to 8 V RMS) adjustable in 10 dB steps.
Balanced Input sensitivity (100 mV to 17 V RMS) adjustable in 10 dB steps.
Four amplifier accessory ports which accept our plug-in modules.
Specifications:

4 x 50 Watts Per Channel @ 4 Ohm
4 x 100 Watts Per Channel @ 2 Ohm
2 x 200 Watts Per Channel @ 4 Ohm Bridged
-------------------
and this is for orion amp
Model Number 8004
Max Power 800
4 Ohm Rating 100 x 4
2 Ohm Rating 200 x 4
1 Ohm Rating -
Mono Rating 400 x 2
Freq. Resp. 20 - 20khz
THD+N < 0.1%
Damping factor > 200
Signal to noise ratio > 100
Crossover range/scope LP 20 - 3khz
HP 20 - 3khz
Input sensitivity 200mV - 5V
Safe load impedance 2 ohm stereo
Equalization Circuit Intelli Bass
16 db
Remote level control N/A
Amplifier protection* T,D,R,S
Externally Bridgeable No
Dimensions** 23.9"L x 10.5"W x 2.3"H


the xtant amp doesnt have crossovers, not sure if i need them ? what you do think

thankx
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4751
Registered: Nov-04
I've tested and used the Xtant, it is a great sounding amp. You don't need xovers for components.
Unless your HU and the amps have solid ground, you might get groundloop problem. The Xtant will get rid of it using rca for balanced signal input.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 58
Registered: Sep-05
thankx for your reply, i ll go with xtant amp. just one more thing.
which one of these xtant is better

XTANT 604X 4CH AMP
or
Xtant 404M 4 AMP

thankx

 

Silver Member
Username: Alias747

MN

Post Number: 787
Registered: Apr-05
The 404m is the older model, all of Xtant's stuff is good, but I personally would get the X604. It is going to cost you more though.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 60
Registered: Sep-05
is $185 with shipping a good price for used 604x or $130 for used 404m ?

thankx
 

Silver Member
Username: Alias747

MN

Post Number: 796
Registered: Apr-05
Yes, that is a very good price for a 604x. I am not quite sure about the 404m.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 61
Registered: Sep-05
hey bro could you also recommend an amp for 2 re sx 10"
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4759
Registered: Nov-04
Sinx, were you the one bidding on the Xtant 604x amp??
I was going to buy that for $150.
Well I think it's you, so I am not bidding and letting it expire. If that's you, you're getting a super deal.
Man things I do for memembers on here. Anyone else, and I would've snatched that amp up.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 62
Registered: Sep-05
hey bro some one outbid me :-( damn i should have put higher amount on that amp.
well what should i get now ?? i thought i was gona win this one and only had to worry about getting one amp for the woofers. Now i need 2 , one for speakers and one for the subs.

let me know what other amps i should look into

thankx
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 63
Registered: Sep-05
which one is better to run 2 re sx 10" subs

ORION 2500D
1200x1 into 4ohms
1700x2 at 2ohms
2500x1 at 1ohms

or
KICKER KX2500.1
2,500 watts RMS @ 2 Ohms
1,250 watts RMS @ 4 Ohms

or please let me know of any other amp that will run those 2 subs ?

thankx
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4762
Registered: Nov-04
Are your subs 4ohms DVC or 2ohms DVC? If your subs re 4ohms DVC, then Orion 2500D is your only choice. If they're 2ohms DVC, then Kicker is your better choice.
All depends on your subs.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 65
Registered: Sep-05
subs are 2ohms. so kicker 2500d is my only choice?

also for my speakers, i didnt win Xtant 604x on ebay but some one is selling ORION 8004 4 Channel Amplifier. should i get this instead? is this as good as 604x ? or i should wait for another xtant 604x amp?

thankx
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4764
Registered: Nov-04
If your subs are 2ohms DVC(very important), not SVC, then Kicker is your better choice. Look at the spec, 2500w @ 2ohms.
I wouldn't say Orion 8004.4 is a better amp than 604x, but it's not a bad amp either. If you get a good deal, then go for it.
604x was designed and built in US.

 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 66
Registered: Sep-05
is $170 a good price including shipping?
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4771
Registered: Nov-04
That's not a bad deal. As long as the amp is in excellent condition, you should be happy.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 67
Registered: Sep-05
thankx for replying quickly :-) havent bid on it yet, still thinking if i should wait for another 604x or just buy this one.
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4772
Registered: Nov-04
I doubt you'll find another 604x at a bargin price. They were from the older generation, when everything quality was designed and made in US.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 72
Registered: Sep-05
hey isaac you said earlier that if my subs are 4ohm DVC then orion 2500d is my only choice. can you please tell me why kicker cant be used with 4ohms?

kicker puts out > 1,250 watts RMS @ 4 Ohms
and orion is > 1200x1 into 4ohms

kicker is 50 more watts? i am not clear with all this and i ll really appreciated if you can explain it to me.

thankx
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4786
Registered: Nov-04
Sinx, if your subs were 4ohms DVC, then those 2 would give you 1ohm total resistance. Therefore, with Orion, you'd get 2500w x 1 @ 1ohm. Kicker is not 1ohm stable, so it won't work unless your subs are 2ohms DVC to start with.
 

Silver Member
Username: Tdbdadrummer

Post Number: 606
Registered: Aug-05
Hold on, a four channel amp for two components? Wouldn't just a two channel be necessary?
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4788
Registered: Nov-04
Maybe he wants to bridge them for more power?
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 73
Registered: Sep-05
thankx got it now :-) so 4 ohm subs can also be used as 1 ohm if your amp can handle it.
about the 4 channel amp. i got ford expedition and i think just 2 front speakers wont be enough for 2nd and 3rd seat. so i was thinking of hooking 4 componenets 2 front and 2 back.

what do you guys think?

thankx
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 78
Registered: Sep-05
hey isaac ,can you plz help me out with this.
if i buy orion 2500d amp which gives 1700 rms at 2ohms and run 2 10" re sx which are total of 2000 rms at 2ohm , will they run ok and sound good. Each sub will get like 850 rms.
i was thinking like if i get a kicker 2500 amp and later on i change the subs and get something that are 4 ohm then the kicker amp wont be as good as orion cuz orion can give 2500 at 1 ohm.

plz tell me what you think of this

thankx
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4791
Registered: Nov-04
You'll be fine with Orion 2500D. 850w rms x 2 is very loud.
As for your 4 channel amp, if you have passengers, then sure, have 4 components.
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 79
Registered: Sep-05
thank bro :-)
 

Bronze Member
Username: Sinx85

Post Number: 80
Registered: Sep-05
hey one more thing, is there any difference between Orion WCC D5000 and orion 2500D. Which one you recommend if the price is the same?

thankyou
 

Gold Member
Username: Carguy

Post Number: 4792
Registered: Nov-04
The WCCD5000 is pretty much the same as 2500D amp. The difference I see is, WCC is CEA rated.
If you're into the new rating stuff, then WCC would be your better choice, if not 2500D is still good.
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